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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #195 on: May 23, 2020, 09:00:14 AM »
Assuming CM drove to JB's and the plan was to go to the pub he may have arranged to stay the night.

1983 evidential breath testing was implemented and if I remember rightly there was a lot of drink/driving media coverage at the time.  Prior to this people took their chances with little risk of being caught. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Aunt Agatha

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #196 on: May 23, 2020, 09:42:36 AM »

It’s totally separate from when Jeremy murdered his family, but the girl, Sarah — whose account is backed-up to some degree by CM himself who was there — describes it as a date-rape situation. She had no recollection of going upstairs, getting undressed, or getting into bed. She just remembered waking up to find Jeremy having intercourse with her.

Therefore, he had sex with her not just without her consent, but it sounds like he drugged her in order to do so.

Whilst that doesn’t have anything to do with the murders, it’s another insight into his character which shows the lengths he’s prepared to go to in order to get what he wants; the sheer disregard, disrespect he has for people; his lack of moral compass; his lack of decency and normal feelings for people




Seemingly Sarah did speak to the police but for some reason they did not follow it up.

Here we have a man. suspected of wiping out a whole family, an actor, a liar is how they described him, and yet, with all this information in front of them they chose not to follow it through.

The question should be, 'why did the police not follow up on the allegations made to them by Sarah?'

a) because she was lying
b) she had told them not to follow this through
c) she was intoxicated and really could not be sure what happened.

It does not state 'she woke up', or 'became alert' or 'came to'....to find Jeremy on top of her....

This story, or version laid out be CAL is all suggestive only and had no proof or sound dialog for the police to support it either.

Therefore, until we find some actual evidence, I'm inclined to believe that two intoxicated people crawled upstairs and had sex.So drunk, they possibly failed to notice somebody was next to them.

I have heard countless 'stories' of women being intoxicated and consenting to sex however so many have blacked out, which is common once the line of inebriation has been crossed. 

Nothing untoward has happened its a very common occurrence amongst both men and women when utterly pi**ed.

Offline APRIL

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #197 on: May 23, 2020, 09:43:22 AM »
Assuming CM drove to JB's and the plan was to go to the pub he may have arranged to stay the night.

1983 evidential breath testing was implemented and if I remember rightly there was a lot of drink/driving media coverage at the time.  Prior to this people took their chances with little risk of being caught.


Indeed we did...................and some!!!!!

Offline The General

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #198 on: May 23, 2020, 10:11:07 AM »

Indeed we did...................and some!!!!!
With horrendous results. 1040 drink drive deaths in 1985, compared to 230 in 2016. When you factor in an almost doubling of cars on the roads in that time, but considering improvements in car safety.
Being the youngest member of the forum, I'm staggered by the attitudes back then.
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #199 on: May 23, 2020, 11:25:53 AM »



Seemingly Sarah did speak to the police but for some reason they did not follow it up.

Here we have a man. suspected of wiping out a whole family, an actor, a liar is how they described him, and yet, with all this information in front of them they chose not to follow it through.

How do you know if it was followed through or not Aunt Agatha?

Have you asked Essex police?

Has anyone asked Essex police?

Maybe someone should
« Last Edit: May 23, 2020, 11:42:03 AM by Nicholas »
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #200 on: May 23, 2020, 11:32:01 AM »
How do you know if it was followed through or not Holly?

Have you asked Essex police?

Has anyone asked Essex police?

Maybe someone should

Ahem I'm not AA.  Although judging by her avatar we do look similar and both obviously mid 70's!
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #201 on: May 23, 2020, 11:35:46 AM »

Seemingly Sarah did speak to the police but for some reason they did not follow it up.


Do you think the reason Bamber went to see Charles Marsden’s the night following the murders could have had anything to do with the night they took Sarah back to Bourtree cottage?

The pair of them went to a pub just outside Colchester apparently for around half an hour

What do you think they discussed - it appears to have never been disclosed

If the police interviewed Charles Marsden 3 times where are the corresponding witness statements / police notes/ entries etc ?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #202 on: May 23, 2020, 11:43:21 AM »
Ahem I'm not AA.  Although judging by her avatar we do look similar and both obviously mid 70's!

Have edited my original post accordingly
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #203 on: May 23, 2020, 11:46:26 AM »
Do you think the reason Bamber went to see Charles Marsden’s the night following the murders could have had anything to do with the night they took Sarah back to Bourtree cottage?

Or maybe the Osea Road burglary ?

Para 7
Later, at Bourtree Cottage , he'd spread the money all over the floor to look at it, before stashing it all in his little Chinese trick box and calling Charles and Liz to arrange an expensive night out.  The following evening the foursome dined out at Fifi's in Colchester and drank pink and white champagne all evening.  The bill came to £125.
(Source: Roger Wilkes book ‘Blood Relations’)
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #204 on: May 23, 2020, 11:51:21 AM »
What do you think they discussed - it appears to have never been disclosed

If the police interviewed Charles Marsden 3 times where are the corresponding witness statements / police notes/ entries etc ?

At teatime on the day following the White House Farm massacre, Jeremy Bamber had appeared at Charles Marsden's office in Colchester.  Marsden knew nothing of what had happened, and Jeremy poured out the story that Marsden later read in the newspapers.  The two men drove to a little pub outside Colchester and talked for about half an hour.  'I thought it strange that Jeremy had come to see me with this news,' Marsden admitted, 'but I thought he was probably in shock.'  What struck Charles Marsden most forcibly was that in speaking of Sheila - the sister he said had murdered his entire family and then shot herself - Jeremy showed neither emotion nor anger towards her. 

'I thought it strange that Jeremy had come to see me with this news,'

Marsden admitted, 'but I thought he was probably in shock.'

Why did Charles Marsden think it ‘strange’ for Bamber to have turned up at his office at teatime?

What reason does he give in his witness statement for referring to it as strange?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #205 on: May 23, 2020, 12:00:57 PM »
The following is Roger Wilkes interpretation - token from his book on the case ‘Blood Relations

The detectives seemed anxious to probe Jeremy Bamber's sexual habits and preferences.  They learned from Charles Marsden that Jeremy possessed an animal magnetism for women.  Marsden said that while he knew of only two serious girlfriends, Suzette Ford and Julie Mugford, Jeremy had had many one-night stands.  He enjoyed going to clubs, such as Stringfellows in London, pulling women.  Marsden recalled an evening before the murders when he and Jeremy had gone drinking at Jeremy's local, the Chequers at Goldhangers.  They had picked up a couple of girls, one of whom had agreed to return with them to Jeremy's cottage.  Marsden, very drunk, had crashed out in Jeremy's bed.  Some time later, he'd been awoken by movement in the bed.  Lying there half asleep, Marsden realised that Jeremy had brought the girl upstairs and that the couple were having sex.  The idea of three-in-a bed sex excited the detectives' curiosity still further.  But Charles Marsden was at pains to insist that he hadn't taken part in the sex session.  And when Jeremy returned from walking the girl home, Marsden himself had got up and driven home.

How was Charles Marsden ‘at pains to insist that he hadn’t taken part in the sex session

And why has Roger Wilkes chosen to refer to this incident as a ‘sex session’ when it appears apparent from Sarah’s evidence it was nothing of the sort ?!?

Source Carol Ann Lee ‘The Murders at White House Farm’
She told detectives in 1985 that she had suddenly found herself in Jeremy’s bedroom with him, ‘on top of me having intercourse’.
The following day, the girl wondered whether she had been drugged. Feeling ‘shocked, angry and abused’ after hearing that Jeremy had told Julie about the episode, she called at the cottage while Jeremy was working
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https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zV3WCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA94&lpg=PA94&dq=charles+marsden+essex&source=bl&ots=jQISI3Diw_&sig=ACfU3U1i336DTUwUTlMThBe2M3Xntg_NJA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwil_JK6psXpAhW-QhUIHRPOAwkQ6AEwBHoECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=charles%20marsden%20essex&f=false
« Last Edit: May 23, 2020, 12:05:25 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Aunt Agatha

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #206 on: May 23, 2020, 12:06:39 PM »
How do you know if it was followed through or not Aunt Agatha?

Have you asked Essex police?

Has anyone asked Essex police?

Maybe someone should



If it had, It would certainly have been mentioned somewhere and I know for a fact Jeremy was not questioned about this, in regards to it being a crime.
« Last Edit: May 23, 2020, 12:12:19 PM by Aunt Agatha »

Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #207 on: May 23, 2020, 12:11:25 PM »


If it had, I would certainly have been mentioned somewhere

This is the sort of thing that wouldn’t get mentioned AA

This is the sort of thing men like Bamber would cover up and he appears to have done just that until Carol Ann Lee has ‘brought it into the light’

Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #208 on: May 23, 2020, 12:11:59 PM »
I know for a fact Jeremy was not questioned about this, in regards to it being a crime.

How do you know ?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Aunt Agatha

Re: Did Jeremy Bamber Have An Affair With Charles Marsden?
« Reply #209 on: May 23, 2020, 12:24:07 PM »
This is the sort of thing that wouldn’t get mentioned AA

This is the sort of thing men like Bamber would cover up and he appears to have done just that until Carol Ann Lee has ‘brought it into the light’


If any charges had been brought, if there had been the slightest indication of a suspected date rape charge It would have reached the public domain.  I’d bet my best hat on it!

They were both pi**ed that night.  They did what a lot of pi**ed people do.

There is no evidence whatsoever that he gave drugs to Sarah or julies sleeping tablets. 

It’s more likely your mind is working overtime again.  &^^&*