Poll

Who would burn their recently murdered parents clothing in a fire pit and after an offer of was made to take them to the Red Cross?

Yes
0 (0%)
No
9 (100%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: May 31, 2020, 02:39:00 PM

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Offline Caroline

Poll - Yes or No?
« on: May 24, 2020, 02:39:00 PM »
As per the question, just vote yes or no.

Offline APRIL

Re: Poll - Yes or No?
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2020, 02:55:13 PM »
As per the question, just vote yes or no.


See? Already 100% are in agreement that they wouldn't 8)--)) 8)--))

Offline Caroline

Re: Poll - Yes or No?
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2020, 03:45:32 PM »

See? Already 100% are in agreement that they wouldn't 8)--)) 8)--))

The supporters just won't vote  @)(++(* @)(++(*

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Poll - Yes or No?
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2020, 04:08:06 PM »
It would be interesting to hear the supporters justification, I’m certain they have one, just as they do for the putting down of the dog within 24 hours.
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Offline Caroline

Re: Poll - Yes or No?
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2020, 04:12:34 PM »
It would be interesting to hear the supporters justification, I’m certain they have one, just as they do for the putting down of the dog within 24 hours.

They know it's wrong and looks bad so best avoid comment and certainly don't commit to a yes, no vote.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Poll - Yes or No?
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2020, 04:20:28 PM »
If my parents lived in a tenanted property it would depend on how long I had to vacate, the terms of the agreement etc. 

When exactly did JB start having a clear out? 

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Poll - Yes or No?
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2020, 04:21:52 PM »
They know it's wrong and looks bad so best avoid comment and certainly don't commit to a yes, no vote.
What did he do with all of Sheila’s clothes?
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Brancher

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Re: Poll - Yes or No?
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2020, 04:28:49 PM »
May we have a source, please?

I agree that if he did burn his parents' clothing in the middle of a police inquiry, that's looks like questionable behaviour and demands an explanation.  And even if there weren't an ongoing investigation, you wouldn't burn them.  Normally, when people die, their clothes are passed on to relatives or to local charity shops (Oxfam, etc.) or something similar.  Nevill's suits might have been passed to the male relatives, etc.

Did he burn all the clothing?  Was this remarked on by relatives in statements?  If so, who?

The difficulty here, though, is in interpreting people's actions through your own experiences.  Stan Jones said that when Bamber was first told what had happened, it looked like he was faking an emotional response.  I can imagine that probably was the case, but it doesn't follow Bamber is the killer.  Normal people fake being upset because a certain response is expected of them.  How many of us have been faced with a situation like this?

The authorities informed me of my father's death.  My first response was to laugh, but nobody suggested I'd murdered him.  Perhaps it's just as well I didn't make myself a "hearty breakfast" or I could now be doing life?

That's another thing.  If somebody makes themselves a "hearty breakfast" in those circumstances and carry on as if it's just another day in Essex farming, does that mean they don't care or is it another way of coping with the situation?

You know, some of us have that 'stiff upper lip' quality, especially if we're male.  When the news of my father's death was broken to me, I was working in a market garden.  I was never close to my father, who was a schizophrenic, and I disliked him.

My immediate response to his death was as follows:

I laughed.

Then I became very upset and broke down crying (probably the last time I can remember crying).  This was partly because I felt I had to be seen to be upset, so at first it was a bit fake, but the funny thing about it is that once I started, I actually did become genuinely quite upset.

Then I made myself breakfast.  Thankfully, I exercised economy in the matter and it was only a Continental breakfast, which probably explains why I'm not banged up like Jeremy.

Then I went back to work in the garden, as I'd just remembered that I had some baskets to make up for a customer.

The head gardener told me I could take some extra time off in the afternoon and go for a walk, if I liked.  That's the English way of dealing with grief.  Go for a walk.

I couldn't be bothered and just carried on working.

Within a day or so, I'd forgotten about my father.  Somebody else was arranging the funeral.

My point is that - people are complex.  You can look for patterns, and if you've formed a prejudice about somebody, which is what coppers tend to do, then you will find a certain pattern in their behaviour.  Equally, you could explain it in another way.

I know that this post will attract sneering responses, but I'm not dismissing entirely these 'tertiary indicators' of guilt, especially as I think Jeremy probably is guilty, but.......we must be very careful!

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Poll - Yes or No?
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2020, 04:43:38 PM »
May we have a source, please?

I agree that if he did burn his parents' clothing in the middle of a police inquiry, that's looks like questionable behaviour and demands an explanation.  And even if there weren't an ongoing investigation, you wouldn't burn them.  Normally, when people die, their clothes are passed on to relatives or to local charity shops (Oxfam, etc.) or something similar.  Nevill's suits might have been passed to the male relatives, etc.

Did he burn all the clothing?  Was this remarked on by relatives in statements?  If so, who?

The difficulty here, though, is in interpreting people's actions through your own experiences.  Stan Jones said that when Bamber was first told what had happened, it looked like he was faking an emotional response.  I can imagine that probably was the case, but it doesn't follow Bamber is the killer.  Normal people fake being upset because a certain response is expected of them.  How many of us have been faced with a situation like this?

The authorities informed me of my father's death.  My first response was to laugh, but nobody suggested I'd murdered him.  Perhaps it's just as well I didn't make myself a "hearty breakfast" or I could now be doing life?

That's another thing.  If somebody makes themselves a "hearty breakfast" in those circumstances and carry on as if it's just another day in Essex farming, does that mean they don't care or is it another way of coping with the situation?

You know, some of us have that 'stiff upper lip' quality, especially if we're male.  When the news of my father's death was broken to me, I was working in a market garden.  I was never close to my father, who was a schizophrenic, and I disliked him.

My immediate response to his death was as follows:

I laughed.

Then I became very upset and broke down crying (probably the last time I can remember crying).  This was partly because I felt I had to be seen to be upset, so at first it was a bit fake, but the funny thing about it is that once I started, I actually did become genuinely quite upset.

Then I made myself breakfast.  Thankfully, I exercised economy in the matter and it was only a Continental breakfast, which probably explains why I'm not banged up like Jeremy.

Then I went back to work in the garden, as I'd just remembered that I had some baskets to make up for a customer.

The head gardener told me I could take some extra time off in the afternoon and go for a walk, if I liked.  That's the English way of dealing with grief.  Go for a walk.

I couldn't be bothered and just carried on working.

Within a day or so, I'd forgotten about my father.  Somebody else was arranging the funeral.

My point is that - people are complex.  You can look for patterns, and if you've formed a prejudice about somebody, which is what coppers tend to do, then you will find a certain pattern in their behaviour.  Equally, you could explain it in another way.

I know that this post will attract sneering responses, but I'm not dismissing entirely these 'tertiary indicators' of guilt, especially as I think Jeremy probably is guilty, but.......we must be very careful!
Do you think Jeremy was only banged up because he had a hearty breakfast?  I must add that to my list of just becauses.
Not a handwriting expert.

Offline APRIL

Re: Poll - Yes or No?
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2020, 04:46:24 PM »
May we have a source, please?

I agree that if he did burn his parents' clothing in the middle of a police inquiry, that's looks like questionable behaviour and demands an explanation.  And even if there weren't an ongoing investigation, you wouldn't burn them.  Normally, when people die, their clothes are passed on to relatives or to local charity shops (Oxfam, etc.) or something similar.  Nevill's suits might have been passed to the male relatives, etc.

Did he burn all the clothing?  Was this remarked on by relatives in statements?  If so, who?

The difficulty here, though, is in interpreting people's actions through your own experiences.  Stan Jones said that when Bamber was first told what had happened, it looked like he was faking an emotional response.  I can imagine that probably was the case, but it doesn't follow Bamber is the killer.  Normal people fake being upset because a certain response is expected of them.  How many of us have been faced with a situation like this?

The authorities informed me of my father's death.  My first response was to laugh, but nobody suggested I'd murdered him.  Perhaps it's just as well I didn't make myself a "hearty breakfast" or I could now be doing life?

That's another thing.  If somebody makes themselves a "hearty breakfast" in those circumstances and carry on as if it's just another day in Essex farming, does that mean they don't care or is it another way of coping with the situation?

You know, some of us have that 'stiff upper lip' quality, especially if we're male.  When the news of my father's death was broken to me, I was working in a market garden.  I was never close to my father, who was a schizophrenic, and I disliked him.

My immediate response to his death was as follows:

I laughed.

Then I became very upset and broke down crying (probably the last time I can remember crying).  This was partly because I felt I had to be seen to be upset, so at first it was a bit fake, but the funny thing about it is that once I started, I actually did become genuinely quite upset.

Then I made myself breakfast.  Thankfully, I exercised economy in the matter and it was only a Continental breakfast, which probably explains why I'm not banged up like Jeremy.

Then I went back to work in the garden, as I'd just remembered that I had some baskets to make up for a customer.

The head gardener told me I could take some extra time off in the afternoon and go for a walk, if I liked.  That's the English way of dealing with grief.  Go for a walk.

I couldn't be bothered and just carried on working.

Within a day or so, I'd forgotten about my father.  Somebody else was arranging the funeral.

My point is that - people are complex.  You can look for patterns, and if you've formed a prejudice about somebody, which is what coppers tend to do, then you will find a certain pattern in their behaviour.  Equally, you could explain it in another way.

I know that this post will attract sneering responses, but I'm not dismissing entirely these 'tertiary indicators' of guilt, especially as I think Jeremy probably is guilty, but.......we must be very careful!


It maybe that your post forms the basis of the "Just Because..........." thread. NONE of those individual things ascribed to Jeremy, mean he's a murderer. However, when they're all put together......?

Incidentally, my response to my mother's death was similar to yours, at your father's death. I had no hand in her death but there are those who remain surprised that I hadn't.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Poll - Yes or No?
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2020, 04:50:07 PM »
Laughing is a fairly common reaction to deeply traumatic or troubling news.
Not a handwriting expert.

Brancher

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Re: Poll - Yes or No?
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2020, 04:53:28 PM »

It maybe that your post forms the basis of the "Just Because..........." thread. NONE of those individual things ascribed to Jeremy, mean he's a murderer. However, when they're all put together......?


Yes, I know, but I could turn that round on you and say, as I mentioned in my post above, that you are looking for patterns and it's no surprise that you find the patterns.  You're biased.

Somebody looking at my behaviour could say: "When we told him, he was laughing, and then....he forced himself to cry, and he had one eye on me while he was doing it.  He did, you know!  Right psychopath he is!  Then he made himself breakfast!  He was properly tucking into those Coco-Pops, you should have seen him, and wolfed down that jam on toast, and he was mentioning how he'd got a discount on his coffee at Morrisons in a 3 for 1.  And then, get this....He was straight back to work, making those flower baskets for Jones Garden Centre, laughing and joking like he didn't have a care in the world.  You should have seen him grinning at the funeral too.  The cold-blooded psycho!"

Anyway, it's all a bit airy-fairy and, for me, it's not very impressive.  It's not evidence.  And it goes back to the whole problem with Julie Mugford's evidence, the critical parts of which are plain wrong, and the rest is just gossip.

I accept Bamber was a nasty piece of work, but so what?  It doesn't make him a murderer. 
« Last Edit: May 24, 2020, 05:16:58 PM by Brancher »

Offline APRIL

Re: Poll - Yes or No?
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2020, 04:54:02 PM »

It maybe that your post forms the basis of the "Just Because..........." thread. NONE of those individual things ascribed to Jeremy, mean he's a murderer. However, when they're all put together......?

Incidentally, my response to my mother's death, along with absolute joyous and total relief, was similar to yours, at your father's death. I had no hand in her death but there are those who remain surprised that I hadn't.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2020, 05:39:10 PM by Brietta »

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Re: Poll - Yes or No?
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2020, 07:54:28 PM »
How do we know Jeremy burnt all his parents clothes just after the murders?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Poll - Yes or No?
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2020, 07:57:16 PM »
They know it's wrong and looks bad so best avoid comment and certainly don't commit to a yes, no vote.

According to AE she found a trailer outside the back door on 30th Aug so some 3 weeks after the tragedy.

It was something that needed to be done and it appears the housekeeper, Jean Boutell, assisted him.

AE asked about any discarded clothing going to the Red Cross.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?