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Offline Robittybob1

Re: The Devil's Children. What was the need for this?
« Reply #75 on: May 30, 2020, 12:09:44 PM »

I've experienced similar. However, I also find that these thoughts are informed by those previous experiences. They're frequently as a result of my own fears.
I don't take as many risks now so I'm not as aware of the feeling, it could be my own fears.    But in the Watson case I was shown how the two people were killed and it was the mission to find out where that happened.  I think I got close but things get tricky when you'd need to dig on another person's land.
What I'd tell people who knew the case, it really made them ask, where was I that day?   They wanted to know my alibi.  But I was in Whanganui 100's of km away.
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Re: The Devil's Children. What was the need for this?
« Reply #76 on: May 30, 2020, 12:18:54 PM »
I don't take as many risks now so I'm not as aware of the feeling, it could be my own fears.    But in the Watson case I was shown how the two people were killed and it was the mission to find out where that happened.  I think I got close but things get tricky when you'd need to dig on another person's land.
What I'd tell people who knew the case, it really made them ask, where was I that day?   They wanted to know my alibi.  But I was in Whanganui 100's of km away.


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Offline Robittybob1

Re: The Devil's Children. What was the need for this?
« Reply #77 on: May 30, 2020, 12:42:23 PM »

Yeh! Of course *%87
Fortunately, these things are rare events.  I'd hate to have to deal with murders continuously.  Most murders are solved without any dispute.  A lot are probably never solved or even recognized as murder. 

It is quite infrequent to get a case like Bambers that goes unresolved for 35 years!
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Re: The Devil's Children. What was the need for this?
« Reply #78 on: May 30, 2020, 12:47:18 PM »
Fortunately, these things are rare events.  I'd hate to have to deal with murders continuously.  Most murders are solved without any dispute.  A lot are probably never solved or even recognized as murder. 

It is quite infrequent to get a case like Bambers that goes unresolved for 35 years!

Those who "know" he's guilty believe that it HAS been resolved,  way back in 1986!

What is unusual, is that JB is still protesting his innocence after 35 years. Most convicted murderers admit their guilt eventually.

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« Reply #79 on: May 30, 2020, 12:52:25 PM »
Those who "know" he's guilty believe that it HAS been resolved,  way back in 1986!

What is unusual, is that JB is still protesting his innocence after 35 years. Most convicted murderers admit their guilt eventually.
Is that a fact, I wonder, or just something you believe? 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

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Re: The Devil's Children. What was the need for this?
« Reply #80 on: May 30, 2020, 12:55:25 PM »
Is that a fact, I wonder, or just something you believe?
It is what we are told, so we believe it. 
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Offline The General

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« Reply #81 on: May 30, 2020, 12:57:55 PM »
Those who "know" he's guilty believe that it HAS been resolved,  way back in 1986!

What is unusual, is that JB is still protesting his innocence after 35 years. Most convicted murderers admit their guilt eventually.
Well he's managed to turn it in to a little cottage industry which has occupied him for decades.
And I think he continues to protest his innocence for a number of reasons, but one of the most compelling, in my opinion, is that there's mileage in the initial handling of the case and the fact that the evidence is circumstantial.
It's grasping at straws, but it also demonstrates that there's every chance that he's detached himself from the atrocity mentally, otherwise it would have consumed him by now. I also believe that this compartmentalisation started when he was stood outside the farmhouse with the police and saw the fruits of his labours come to fruition in ways he could only have hoped for - they initially bought his narrative wholesale. Now he doesn't 'think' he's an evil genius, he is one (in his eyes). The ineptitude of the police reinforced his story to everyone including himself.
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Offline Brietta

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« Reply #82 on: May 30, 2020, 01:53:05 PM »
Well he's managed to turn it in to a little cottage industry which has occupied him for decades.
And I think he continues to protest his innocence for a number of reasons, but one of the most compelling, in my opinion, is that there's mileage in the initial handling of the case and the fact that the evidence is circumstantial.
It's grasping at straws, but it also demonstrates that there's every chance that he's detached himself from the atrocity mentally, otherwise it would have consumed him by now. I also believe that this compartmentalisation started when he was stood outside the farmhouse with the police and saw the fruits of his labours come to fruition in ways he could only have hoped for - they initially bought his narrative wholesale. Now he doesn't 'think' he's an evil genius, he is one (in his eyes). The ineptitude of the police reinforced his story to everyone including himself.

I think that is an excellent summation.

I also think he would rather not go down in history as the cold calculating killer of the two boys ... nobody makes excuses for a child killer.
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Re: The Devil's Children. What was the need for this?
« Reply #83 on: May 30, 2020, 02:15:18 PM »
It is what we are told, so we believe it.
Do we?  No need for cites anymore then I take it?
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Offline Caroline

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« Reply #84 on: May 30, 2020, 02:16:30 PM »
Those who "know" he's guilty believe that it HAS been resolved,  way back in 1986!

What is unusual, is that JB is still protesting his innocence after 35 years. Most convicted murderers admit their guilt eventually.

There are many who don't

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« Reply #85 on: May 30, 2020, 02:16:49 PM »
Well he's managed to turn it in to a little cottage industry which has occupied him for decades.
And I think he continues to protest his innocence for a number of reasons, but one of the most compelling, in my opinion, is that there's mileage in the initial handling of the case and the fact that the evidence is circumstantial.
It's grasping at straws, but it also demonstrates that there's every chance that he's detached himself from the atrocity mentally, otherwise it would have consumed him by now. I also believe that this compartmentalisation started when he was stood outside the farmhouse with the police and saw the fruits of his labours come to fruition in ways he could only have hoped for - they initially bought his narrative wholesale. Now he doesn't 'think' he's an evil genius, he is one (in his eyes). The ineptitude of the police reinforced his story to everyone including himself.
What sort of a genius gets himself banged up for 35 years with little chance of parole?
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Offline Caroline

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« Reply #86 on: May 30, 2020, 02:21:11 PM »
Well he's managed to turn it in to a little cottage industry which has occupied him for decades.
And I think he continues to protest his innocence for a number of reasons, but one of the most compelling, in my opinion, is that there's mileage in the initial handling of the case and the fact that the evidence is circumstantial.
It's grasping at straws, but it also demonstrates that there's every chance that he's detached himself from the atrocity mentally, otherwise it would have consumed him by now. I also believe that this compartmentalisation started when he was stood outside the farmhouse with the police and saw the fruits of his labours come to fruition in ways he could only have hoped for - they initially bought his narrative wholesale. Now he doesn't 'think' he's an evil genius, he is one (in his eyes). The ineptitude of the police reinforced his story to everyone including himself.

I would go along with most of that.

Offline The General

Re: The Devil's Children. What was the need for this?
« Reply #87 on: May 30, 2020, 02:34:28 PM »
What sort of a genius gets himself banged up for 35 years with little chance of parole?
I didn't say he is a genius, he thinks himself one, or at least did, right up until he got sent down.
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Re: The Devil's Children. What was the need for this?
« Reply #88 on: May 30, 2020, 05:15:22 PM »
Well he's managed to turn it in to a little cottage industry which has occupied him for decades.
And I think he continues to protest his innocence for a number of reasons, but one of the most compelling, in my opinion, is that there's mileage in the initial handling of the case and the fact that the evidence is circumstantial.
It's grasping at straws, but it also demonstrates that there's every chance that he's detached himself from the atrocity mentally, otherwise it would have consumed him by now. I also believe that this compartmentalisation started when he was stood outside the farmhouse with the police and saw the fruits of his labours come to fruition in ways he could only have hoped for - they initially bought his narrative wholesale. Now he doesn't 'think' he's an evil genius, he is one (in his eyes). The ineptitude of the police reinforced his story to everyone including himself.


Great possible explanations of why JB still protests innocence. I tend to think that, whether he is or he isn't, he genuinely believes he is.

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Re: The Devil's Children. What was the need for this?
« Reply #89 on: May 30, 2020, 05:17:47 PM »
There are many who don't

Ok----could you give me some examples ? (Just interested).