Abduction ... what is the evidence ?

[John]

I believe it is you who is being factually incorrect John

I have asked,  earlier in the thread,  that you reference the evidence you base your statement that staff and a nanny place Gerry McCann at the table at 10pm

Unless you can, you might think about adding it to your  'Myth'  thread

Have you not read the statements by now?  They are widely available.

Do you honestly believe for one second that the staff at the tapas bar would not be aware if they had served Gerry McCann at the table and have given statements to that effect?  There is speculation and then there is just simple fantasy and wishful thinking!

[icabodcrane]

I believe it is you who is being factually incorrect John

I have asked,  earlier in the thread,  that you reference the evidence you base your statement that staff and a nanny place Gerry McCann at the table at 10pm

Unless you can, you might think about adding it to your  'Myth'  thread

Have you not read the statements by now?  They are widely available.

Do you honestly believe for one second that the staff at the tapas bar would not be aware if they had served Gerry McCann at the table and have given statements to that effect?  There is speculation and then there is just simple fantasy and wishful thinking!

 Are you retracting your statement that waiters and a nanny placed Gerry McCann at the table at 10pm  ?

[C.Edwards]

Scotland Yard are currently doing a review.  I cannot believe that they would continue to spend taxpayers' money on this review if they already had some evidence pointing to the parents, even if insufficient to take to court.  The exercise would simply have been wound down by now.

You are entirely mistaken about how the UK police force works then.  What if they were busily narrowing down the wriggle room in some way?  Closing off potential avenues of escape, as it were?  I'm saying nothing more as we've been here on STM and those of you from there know what I'm getting at.  I entirely expect you not to believe me as it doesn't fit in with your required world view but it doesn't make it any less true. 

[C.Edwards]

I believe it is you who is being factually incorrect John

I have asked,  earlier in the thread,  that you reference the evidence you base your statement that staff and a nanny place Gerry McCann at the table at 10pm

Unless you can, you might think about adding it to your  'Myth'  thread

Have you not read the statements by now?  They are widely available.

Do you honestly believe for one second that the staff at the tapas bar would not be aware if they had served Gerry McCann at the table and have given statements to that effect?  There is speculation and then there is just simple fantasy and wishful thinking!

Oh so it's alright for you to post something factually incorrect and claim "it's in the files" and flounce off?  Great, that showed us [ censored word ]s, eh?

[Chinagirl]

Scotland Yard are currently doing a review.  I cannot believe that they would continue to spend taxpayers' money on this review if they already had some evidence pointing to the parents, even if insufficient to take to court.  The exercise would simply have been wound down by now.

You are entirely mistaken about how the UK police force works then.  What if they were busily narrowing down the wriggle room in some way?  Closing off potential avenues of escape, as it were?  I'm saying nothing more as we've been here on STM and those of you from there know what I'm getting at.  I entirely expect you not to believe me as it doesn't fit in with your required world view but it doesn't make it any less true. 

Yes, I suppose it's possible that SY are busily beavering away building up a case against the McCanns, and that Andy Redwood's public announcement that this is a rare case of stranger abduction was a deliberate red herring designed to give the McCanns a false sense of security.

I rather doubt it though.

 

[sika]

I believe it is you who is being factually incorrect John

I have asked,  earlier in the thread,  that you reference the evidence you base your statement that staff and a nanny place Gerry McCann at the table at 10pm

Unless you can, you might think about adding it to your  'Myth'  thread

Have you not read the statements by now?  They are widely available.

Do you honestly believe for one second that the staff at the tapas bar would not be aware if they had served Gerry McCann at the table and have given statements to that effect?  There is speculation and then there is just simple fantasy and wishful thinking!

Oh so it's alright for you to post something factually incorrect and claim "it's in the files" and flounce off?  Great, that showed us [ censored word ]s, eh?

This appears a little like nit picking. Do YOU doubt that Gerry was in the tapas bar at the relevant time?
Why would all of Gerrys 'mates' conceal the death of a child?

It really is a laughable suggestion.

[C.Edwards]

Can anyone think of a case where the investigating officer has come out with an announcement of the findings prior to the end of the review?

Why are they still investigating if the review is over and they've decided the outcome? Hmm?

[C.Edwards]

This appears a little like nit picking. Do YOU doubt that Gerry was in the tapas bar at the relevant time?
Why would all of Gerrys 'mates' conceal the death of a child?

It really is a laughable suggestion.

a) depends on what the "relevant time" is and
b) who said anything about his mates concealing a death?

[Chinagirl]

Can anyone think of a case where the investigating officer has come out with an announcement of the findings prior to the end of the review?

Why are they still investigating if the review is over and they've decided the outcome? Hmm?

Perhaps they are trying to trace the abductor .......

For crying out loud ....

[C.Edwards]

What is the relevant time in your view? 

What do  you think the involvement of the McCanns' friends is, if not part of a cover-up into the death of a child?

Whoa whoa whoa Mon Cheri.  Don't try the old switcheroo on me. I was asking for independent corroboration of a claim made and explaining why those involved don't count as independent. I don't have to have any views whatsoever on this!

[sika]

This appears a little like nit picking. Do YOU doubt that Gerry was in the tapas bar at the relevant time?
Why would all of Gerrys 'mates' conceal the death of a child?

It really is a laughable suggestion.

a) depends on what the "relevant time" is and
b) who said anything about his mates concealing a death?

a) The time of the Smith sighting
b) Poor use of grammar! I should have said...why would Gerrys mates lie about his whereabouts? Or were they simply mistaken?

[icabodcrane]

Scotland Yard are currently doing a review.  I cannot believe that they would continue to spend taxpayers' money on this review if they already had some evidence pointing to the parents, even if insufficient to take to court.  The exercise would simply have been wound down by now.

You are entirely mistaken about how the UK police force works then.  What if they were busily narrowing down the wriggle room in some way?  Closing off potential avenues of escape, as it were?  I'm saying nothing more as we've been here on STM and those of you from there know what I'm getting at.  I entirely expect you not to believe me as it doesn't fit in with your required world view but it doesn't make it any less true. 

Yes, I suppose it's possible that SY are busily beavering away building up a case against the McCanns, and that Andy Redwood's public announcement that this is a rare case of stranger abduction was a deliberate red herring designed to give the McCanns a false sense of security.

I rather doubt it though.

I remember him saying that

I thought at the time that the review must be over  ...  for him to have announced what appeared to be a  'conclusion'  like that

But no

The review, at that time was  only a year in   ...  we are now at two   years  in,  and the review is still ongoing

During the last year,  what has  Scotland Yard had to say about the progression  of the review ?  ...  has Redwood updated the public on his his earlier  (  and  rather presumptive )  opinion  ?   ...  do you know  ?

[sika]

I understand the point you are making but I find it quite irrelevant. I was just making the point , that I think the idea that all those people, friends or not, would lie in order to protect Gerry, ridiculous.

Just out of interest, do you think they all lied?

[icabodcrane]

My own experience of the Spanish, Italian and Portuguese prosecution authorities is that if in doubt...PROSECUTE.

That's interesting John

Do you feel able to share  ?  ...  what experience of Spanish, Italian and Portuguese prosecution authorities do you have ? 

[C.Edwards]

When conducting a review it is not necessary to come to the end of it before being able to draw some logical conclusions along the way.  These then enable the investigation to focus on what is relevant for the remainder of the review.

What? A bit like the investigating PJ force deciding to concentrate on the parents of a missing child maybe?