Why now?

[Brietta]

Aw, thank you!

I didn't understand it much in the beginning either. It was someone on 3A who started trying to explain and then I found some high school sites with lots of exercises.

That Amaral and co didn't understand it is one thing, but he kept on spouting rubbish as if he did.

Unfortunately I think he is still at it and using his latest literary rehash to keep the pot boiling.

I still don't know enough to work it out for myself;  I rely on reputable sources.  Pity Amaral didn't think to do that before he went off at a tangent.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Unfortunately I think he is still at it and using his latest literary rehash to keep the pot boiling.

I still don't know enough to work it out for myself;  I rely on reputable sources.  Pity Amaral didn't think to do that before he went off at a tangent.

Talking of which why has no one bothered to translate the latest opus I wonder…?

[Brietta]

The result for the two hairs found in found in Bergau was;

"The Haplotype identified by the letter S, present in 2 samples, (apartment in Burgau), and identical to that of Jane Michelle Tanner (JT), meaning those samples were from that person or individuals of the same maternal bloodline."

The hairs found in 5A were subjected to the same tests, and the results were similarly worded;

"The Haplotype identified by the letter O. present in 2 samples, and identical to that of Russell James O'Brien (RJB), meaning those samples were from that person or individuals of the same maternal bloodlines."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm

The only difference I can see is that Jane wasn't expected to be in Bergau, while it was known that Russell was in 5A. There's no difference in the forensic tests and results.

Nor was she.

Nor was her hair.

Although neither you nor Amaral evidence any understanding of the science, Francisco Corte-Real certainly knows how to interpret a combination of alleles and multiple loci that are transmitted together on the same chromosome.

Read the files ~ the forensic results are there for all to see ~ the hair found in Burgau had the same haplotype as Jane Tanner but the Institute proved without a shadow of doubt that it is not Jane's hair - it belongs to someone else.

Anyway, thankyou for proving the point of my previous post that indeed, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing particularly when opinions based on it are insisted upon.

[G-Unit]

Nor was she.

Nor was her hair.

Although neither you nor Amaral evidence any understanding of the science, Francisco Corte-Real certainly knows how to interpret a combination of alleles and multiple loci that are transmitted together on the same chromosome.

Read the files ~ the forensic results are there for all to see ~ the hair found in Burgau had the same haplotype as Jane Tanner but the Institute proved without a shadow of doubt that it is not Jane's hair - it belongs to someone else.

Anyway, thankyou for proving the point of my previous post that indeed, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing particularly when opinions based on it are insisted upon.

I don't think you can provide a cite for the enlarged text.

[Brietta]

I don't think you can provide a cite for the enlarged text.

You really must do something about the constant innuendo which typify your posts. Jane Tanner was never in Burgau and if you had ever read the files with any true understanding you would be aware of that.

Now toddle off back to groundhog day and have a look at the requisite pages starting with 4175 ~ then from pages 4325 to 4328.  The information is there, it was never in question

By the way ~ please note that I have complied with your request for a cite unlike ignoring it as you tend to frequently do.

[G-Unit]

You really must do something about the constant innuendo which typify your posts. Jane Tanner was never in Burgau and if you had ever read the files with any true understanding you would be aware of that.

Now toddle off back to groundhog day and have a look at the requisite pages starting with 4175 ~ then from pages 4325 to 4328.  The information is there, it was never in question

By the way ~ please note that I have complied with your request for a cite unlike ignoring it as you tend to frequently do.

It's your words which I'm questioning. I don't think it was possible to prove that the hairs found in Bergau didn't belong to Jane Tanner, that can't be done with Mitochondrial DNA.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

You really must do something about the constant innuendo which typify your posts. Jane Tanner was never in Burgau and if you had ever read the files with any true understanding you would be aware of that.

Now toddle off back to groundhog day and have a look at the requisite pages starting with 4175 ~ then from pages 4325 to 4328.  The information is there, it was never in question

By the way ~ please note that I have complied with your request for a cite unlike ignoring it as you tend to frequently do.

Do you have a link for any of those sections of the files?

[Brietta]

Do you have a link for any of those sections of the files?

Are you referring to "4175 ~ then from pages 4325 to 4328"

               ARE YOU FOR REAL ❓

[G-Unit]

Do you have a link for any of those sections of the files?

This was in the PJ's final report;

Immediately, the question concerning the differentiating value of some haplotypes [haplotype (Greek haploos = single) is a combination of alleles at multiple loci that are transmitted together on the same chromosome] was raised, namely concerning JANE TANNER, page 4175, which was located in a residence in Burgau, which, in our understanding, would not be viable and logical, or to say the least, would be very strange. Therefore, in order to clarify this situation, a clarification was requested from that Institute, pages 4320 and following, which, in its reply, is peremptory in stating that there are haplotypes that are identical among each other, in a percentage that is still significant, pages 4325 to 4328. This means that the hair that was found inside that residence, while possessing the same haplotype as JANE TANNER, belongs to someone else.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

Unfortunately, the pages quoted are not in the released files, so it's not possible to check what was actually said. Maybe the PJ misunderstood the reply to their question.

[Brietta]

It's your words which I'm questioning. I don't think it was possible to prove that the hairs found in Bergau didn't belong to Jane Tanner, that can't be done with Mitochondrial DNA.

What is it you fail to understand about - "a mitochondrial DNA profile is not unique and objectively identifying a particular person".

Jane and Murat come to that, share their mitochondrial DNA with "the population group 'West Eurasia', which comprises the populations of Europe".

I think attempting to make spin out of that one really is beyond incorrigible.

[Brietta]

This was in the PJ's final report;

Immediately, the question concerning the differentiating value of some haplotypes [haplotype (Greek haploos = single) is a combination of alleles at multiple loci that are transmitted together on the same chromosome] was raised, namely concerning JANE TANNER, page 4175, which was located in a residence in Burgau, which, in our understanding, would not be viable and logical, or to say the least, would be very strange. Therefore, in order to clarify this situation, a clarification was requested from that Institute, pages 4320 and following, which, in its reply, is peremptory in stating that there are haplotypes that are identical among each other, in a percentage that is still significant, pages 4325 to 4328. This means that the hair that was found inside that residence, while possessing the same haplotype as JANE TANNER, belongs to someone else.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

Unfortunately, the pages quoted are not in the released files, so it's not possible to check what was actually said. Maybe the PJ misunderstood the reply to their question.

OFFICIAL INQUIRY FILES and DOCUMENTS
PROCESSO VOLUME 16A   Page 4325  - the information quoted is in the files and I don't think the PJ had any difficulty understanding what Corte Real told them.

[G-Unit]

What is it you fail to understand about - "a mitochondrial DNA profile is not unique and objectively identifying a particular person".

Jane and Murat come to that, share their mitochondrial DNA with "the population group 'West Eurasia', which comprises the populations of Europe".

I think attempting to make spin out of that one really is beyond incorrigible.

I completely understand that mitochondrial DNA cannot be used to identify individuals. My point was that it can't be used to eliminate them either.

[G-Unit]

OFFICIAL INQUIRY FILES and DOCUMENTS
PROCESSO VOLUME 16A   Page 4325  - the information quoted is in the files and I don't think the PJ had any difficulty understanding what Corte Real told them.

I see nothing there which proves the hairs belonged to someone other than Jane Tanner?

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Are you referring to "4175 ~ then from pages 4325 to 4328"

               ARE YOU FOR REAL ❓

Yes I am for real. Those pages are missing from the link I use. That is why I asked for the link you used so I could check for myself.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Has it ever occurred to any of you that this is going nowhere when it comes to the culpability of The McCanns?

There is nothing that any of you can do.  It was a ghastly cock up from day one.  So even if there was some culpability then it has been long lost.

Amaral was utterly useless while fighting his own demons.  What on earth was he doing in charge of this case?

Portugal has way too much to answer for in the light of what Amaral had already done.

I actually believe Colin Sutton has a valid point when he says that "relationships change" and "science moves forward".  That might at some point in the future provide a breakthrough. It's a long shot - but still a possibility.