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Ann Eaton's statements point to Jeremy's innocence.
« on: June 23, 2020, 11:06:57 PM »
Do Ann Eaton's statements point to Jeremy's innocence?

1.  Jeremy basically has Ann as a support person during his interviews with the police.

2.  Jeremy allows Ann and her brother to take over the WHF homestead.   If he had hidden evidence left in the residence I doubt that he would have allowed that.

3.  The reasons she records Jeremy as saying why he didn't rush over to WHF ahead of the police only makes sense if Sheila really had the gun.

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Re: Ann Eaton's statements point to Jeremy's innocence.
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2020, 03:32:51 AM »
It was reported that Ann Eaton said this:  "Ann Eaton said that as soon as she heard the killing weapon had been reloaded, she realized Sheila could not possibly have done it. ‘She would not know one end of the barrel of a gun to another,’ Ann said.
Arlidge summing up for the prosecution:
Part of the post: http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11580.msg595612#msg595612
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Re: Ann Eaton's statements point to Jeremy's innocence.
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2020, 03:45:08 AM »
CoA doc focuses on fingerprints found on the rifle but makes no comment about the lack of fingerprints from the relatives handling the silencer ungloved.

72. The weapon was also examined for fingerprints. A print from the appellant's right forefinger was found on the breech end of the barrel, above the stock and pointing across the gun and Sheila Caffell's right ring fingerprint was found on the right side of the butt, pointing downwards. There were three further finger marks on the rifle, each of insufficient detail for identification purposes.

Recovery of the sound moderator 73. On 10 August 1985 members of the family, who were far from convinced that Sheila Caffell had been responsible for the killings, went to White House Farm with the executor of the estate, Basil Cock. During the afternoon David Boutflour found the sound moderator together with the telescopic sights for the murder weapon at the back of the gun cupboard in the downstairs office. His father, his sister Ann Eaton, the executor and the farm secretary all witnessed the recovery.

74. The silencer was taken to Ann Eaton's address for safekeeping and that evening members of the family examined it. They noticed that the "gun blue" of the surface had been damaged and there appeared to be red paint and blood upon it. The moderator was packaged up and the police were informed of the discovery. When collected by DS Jones on 12 August he noticed a grey hair, about an inch long attached to it. By the time the moderator had been delivered to the Forensic Science Service at Huntingdon the hair had been lost."

From the post http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7466.msg349546#msg349546.




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Re: Ann Eaton's statements point to Jeremy's innocence.
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2020, 06:18:26 AM »
How many of the forum members have actually read right through the Ann Eaton statements?
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Re: Ann Eaton's statements point to Jeremy's innocence.
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2020, 06:55:12 AM »
"Another look at that pesky sound moderator"

A real good debate.  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6514.0

Read the Ann Eaton statements and I think we can see how the silencer could possibly have been contaminated after the murders.

The murder scene was not properly clean.
Sheila's blood may have been able to be found in the area that she had lain.
Who would do such a thing?
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Re: Ann Eaton's statements point to Jeremy's innocence.
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2020, 07:07:53 AM »
Do Ann Eaton's statements point to Jeremy's innocence?

1.  Jeremy basically has Ann as a support person during his interviews with the police.

2.  Jeremy allows Ann and her brother to take over the WHF homestead.   If he had hidden evidence left in the residence I doubt that he would have allowed that.

3.  The reasons she records Jeremy as saying why he didn't rush over to WHF ahead of the police only makes sense if Sheila really had the gun.
Absolutely not!

1. AE supported him initially because she was in shock that such a terrible tragedy could have happened, but it didn't take long for the penny to drop when she heard Bamber coming out with lies, such as loving his parents, when giving his statement.

2. Bamber thought he'd cleaned up the moderator well enough so that nobody would notice he'd used it, and couldn't dispose of it elsewhere just in case questions were asked about its disappearance.  A.Pargeter, for one, knew that one was fitted when he saw it on the cupboard.

3. Bamber didn't want it to appear that he was at the crime scene well before anyone else, thus ruining his alibi of being at Goldhanger when the shooting kicked off.

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Re: Ann Eaton's statements point to Jeremy's innocence.
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2020, 08:51:38 AM »
Absolutely not!

1. AE supported him initially because she was in shock that such a terrible tragedy could have happened, but it didn't take long for the penny to drop when she heard Bamber coming out with lies, such as loving his parents, when giving his statement.

2. Bamber thought he'd cleaned up the moderator well enough so that nobody would notice he'd used it, and couldn't dispose of it elsewhere just in case questions were asked about its disappearance.  A.Pargeter, for one, knew that one was fitted when he saw it on the cupboard.

3. Bamber didn't want it to appear that he was at the crime scene well before anyone else, thus ruining his alibi of being at Goldhanger when the shooting kicked off.
1.  Just because he was a bit of a rebel, doesn't mean he didn't love his Dad.

2.  "Bamber thought he'd cleaned up the moderator well enough so that nobody would notice he'd used it, and couldn't dispose of it elsewhere just in case questions were asked about its disappearance."  That must be a guess.
" A.Pargeter, for one, knew that one was fitted when he saw it on the cupboard."  That was 2 weeks before and it only takes a minute or two to remove them.

3. "Bamber didn't want it to appear that he was at the crime scene well before anyone else, thus ruining his alibi of being at Goldhanger when the shooting kicked off."
According to Ann Eaton, "He said he was afraid that Sheila had set a trap".  So if he went there quickly people could say he knew she was already dead and hence wasn't a threat and he knew it.

There is no right response as he would be condemned if he was there early and if he was there late.
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Re: Ann Eaton's statements point to Jeremy's innocence.
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2020, 09:54:30 AM »
1.  Just because he was a bit of a rebel, doesn't mean he didn't love his Dad.

2.  "Bamber thought he'd cleaned up the moderator well enough so that nobody would notice he'd used it, and couldn't dispose of it elsewhere just in case questions were asked about its disappearance."  That must be a guess.
" A.Pargeter, for one, knew that one was fitted when he saw it on the cupboard."  That was 2 weeks before and it only takes a minute or two to remove them.

3. "Bamber didn't want it to appear that he was at the crime scene well before anyone else, thus ruining his alibi of being at Goldhanger when the shooting kicked off."
According to Ann Eaton, "He said he was afraid that Sheila had set a trap".  So if he went there quickly people could say he knew she was already dead and hence wasn't a threat and he knew it.

There is no right response as he would be condemned if he was there early and if he was there late.



1) Regardless of what he said, regarding his alleged love for his family, actions speak louder than words. Others can see the dynamic -body language, tone of voice- more clearly than those involved in it.

2) No more of a guess than some of Clouseau's thoughts. If something known to have been in a certain place becomes conspicuous -either sooner or later, by it absence, it's absence will be questioned.

3) I think that emphasizing he was at home in Goldhanger was part of his dotting I's and crossing T's, but you're correct in saying he'd have been challenged either way.

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Re: Ann Eaton's statements point to Jeremy's innocence.
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2020, 11:49:56 AM »


1) Regardless of what he said, regarding his alleged love for his family, actions speak louder than words. Others can see the dynamic -body language, tone of voice- more clearly than those involved in it.

2) No more of a guess than some of Clouseau's thoughts. If something known to have been in a certain place becomes conspicuous -either sooner or later, by it absence, it's absence will be questioned.

3) I think that emphasizing he was at home in Goldhanger was part of his dotting I's and crossing T's, but you're correct in saying he'd have been challenged either way.
1. Still, Jeremy could have been showing off. 
2. Clouseau works from evidence really.  Well, the silencer was in the gun cabinet, probably where Jeremy said Nevill left it.   What proof was there that it had been used during the killings?  If the blood on the baffles is the only bit one could claim it was planted there afterward.   What I did notice from the Ann Eaton statements was that there was no shortage of blood to be found in a variety of places in the first few days afterward.

3.  If he was home so be it. 

What really took me by surprise in the Ann Eaton statements was the fact that WHF was fitted with a burglar alarm.  Has anyone mentioned how that worked?  [I've done a quick search on the forum and there was no mention of the WHF burglar alarm.]
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Re: Ann Eaton's statements point to Jeremy's innocence.
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2020, 12:00:48 PM »
WHF was only fitted with an alarm after the murders on the advice of the police. I think it was Stan Jones or some other officer who showed Ann Eaton how it operated.

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Re: Ann Eaton's statements point to Jeremy's innocence.
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2020, 12:04:05 PM »
WHF was only fitted with an alarm after the murders on the advice of the police. I think it was Stan Jones or some other officer who showed Ann Eaton how it operated.
OK so it was fitted within the first few days then for that is how I read Ann's statement.

Also the Blue has a similar comment " Jeremy told somebody that he corresponds with that the panic button was not installed until POST murders along with the burglar alarm. The relatives then admitted this was true!"

That was a very quick installation.
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Re: Ann Eaton's statements point to Jeremy's innocence.
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2020, 12:35:53 PM »
1. Still, Jeremy could have been showing off. 
2. Clouseau works from evidence really.  Well, the silencer was in the gun cabinet, probably where Jeremy said Nevill left it.   What proof was there that it had been used during the killings?  If the blood on the baffles is the only bit one could claim it was planted there afterward.   What I did notice from the Ann Eaton statements was that there was no shortage of blood to be found in a variety of places in the first few days afterward.

3.  If he was home so be it. 

What really took me by surprise in the Ann Eaton statements was the fact that WHF was fitted with a burglar alarm.  Has anyone mentioned how that worked?  [I've done a quick search on the forum and there was no mention of the WHF burglar alarm.]


At the time of the murders, there wasn't one, NOR despite empty assertions, was there a panic alarm (not that ONE panic alarm would have been of use in a house that large)

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Re: Ann Eaton's statements point to Jeremy's innocence.
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2020, 01:01:25 PM »

At the time of the murders, there wasn't one, NOR despite empty assertions, was there a panic alarm (not that ONE panic alarm would have been of use in a house that large)
Was it ever determined who asked for this alarm system to be installed?  Who did the work and who paid for it?
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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2020, 01:26:51 PM »
Was it ever determined who asked for this alarm system to be installed?  Who did the work and who paid for it?


Allegedly, the police installed it because Nevill had been/could have been threatened by Jim Bell who he'd sent down -he hadn't. Jim Bell was tried and sentenced at High Court- don't think who fitted it was ever established. It was, presumably funded from the public purse.

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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2020, 01:39:58 PM »

Allegedly, the police installed it because Nevill had been/could have been threatened by Jim Bell who he'd sent down -he hadn't. Jim Bell was tried and sentenced at High Court- don't think who fitted it was ever established. It was, presumably funded from the public purse.

It would  have just been a local alarm company  that fitted it and the cost would have been billed to the Bamber's.