Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB

[Mr Gray]

To be honest I don't know what anyone believes.  At times past I did ask for everyone to put their theories forward but it never happened.

I put mine forward...Most probable stranger abduction..

[Eleanor]

To be honest I don't know what anyone believes.  At times past I did ask for everyone to put their theories forward but it never happened.

Theories are only Theories.  There is nothing else.  So please yourselves.  Sheesh, what happened to Logic?

[Robittybob1]

Theories are only Theories.  There is nothing else.  So please yourselves.  Sheesh, what happened to Logic?

It was you who said, "Not according to Barrier".  So do you know what Barrier thinks?  I know for a fact I don't.

Davel says "Most probable stranger abduction", so for that bit, his and my theories are in unison.

But I have a feeling he means abduction from the apartment.

[Eleanor]

It was you who said, "Not according to Barrier".  So do you know what Barrier thinks?  I know for a fact I don't.

Davel says "Most probable stranger abduction", so for that bit, his and my theories are in unison.

But I have a feeling he means abduction from the apartment.

Do give over, Rob.  Your word games don't impress me.

[Vertigo Swirl]

http://www.courts.state.va.us/opinions/opncavwp/0140174.pdf

Interesting

Stockham testified that the odor of human decomposition can be transferred from a cadaver to clothing or to a person handling a body. He acknowledged that he wrote in his incident report from the search that human decomposition odor may be present in or on items associated with daily living, and as such, the dog’s positive final responses may or may not have significance. When asked whether it was possible that Morse’s alert at the foot of the victim’s bed “came from activities of daily living,” Stockham stated, “I don’t know what the alert was from.” He later clarified on re-direct that he did not know what combination of chemicals the dog was relying on to give the alert, but that the dog was trained to find the odor of human decomposition.

[Robittybob1]

Do give over, Rob.  Your word games don't impress me.

Davel is welcome to define what he means by "Most probable stranger abduction".

Davel is the one using word games.  He can't define what Grimes means by "suggestive", yet he uses that as part of his argument.

[Mr Gray]

Davel is welcome to define what he means by "Most probable stranger abduction".

Davel is the one using word games.  He can't define what Grimes means by "suggestive", yet he uses that as part of his argument.

Quite unfair and illogical...how can I know what level of suggestion Grime meant..

Be fair..I've made it plain what I think many times..
Stranger abduction..very high ..in the nineties..woke and wandered around one per cent...accident an parental involvement..tiny... approaching zero

[Eleanor]

Davel is welcome to define what he means by "Most probable stranger abduction".

Davel is the one using word games.  He can't define what Grimes means by "suggestive", yet he uses that as part of his argument.

Oh God, not that possible probable thing again.

Grime said "Suggestive."  Ask Grime.  He must have known what he meant.

[Brietta]

To be honest I don't know what anyone believes.  At times past I did ask for everyone to put their theories forward but it never happened.

For the purposes of this thread it doesn't really matter.  The thread is about evidence and there is none against the McCanns confirmed by the fact no-one has been able to post any.

In the context of the thread who does that leave?  Of course bearing in mind Brueckner's right to the presumption of innocence there appears to be some reticence about including him in the discussion.

Why aren't the McCanns afforded the same level of respect as that given to them by dint of three national police forces who are investigating Brueckner?

[Robittybob1]

Quite unfair and illogical...how can I know what level of suggestion Grime meant..

Be fair..I've made it plain what I think many times..
Stranger abduction..very high ..in the nineties..woke and wandered around one per cent...accident an parental involvement..tiny... approaching zero

Well at least you haven't ruled out woke and wandered. Davel: "woke and wandered around one per cent"  Thanks for the support of my theory.

[Robittybob1]

For the purposes of this thread it doesn't really matter.  The thread is about evidence and there is none against the McCanns confirmed by the fact no-one has been able to post any.

In the context of the thread who does that leave?  Of course bearing in mind Brueckner's right to the presumption of innocence there appears to be some reticence about including him in the discussion.

Why aren't the McCanns afforded the same level of respect as that given to them by dint of three national police forces who are investigating Brueckner?

I can't agree with you that there is no evidence against the McCanns.  There are multiple things that have been done and said that makes many of us question what is going on.  What the evidence points to is the question in my mind.  Just because I say evidence, I don't mean that the McCanns hid Madeleine themselves, but I still feel there is a story they are not sharing with us.

[Robittybob1]

Oh God, not that possible probable thing again.

Grime said "Suggestive."  Ask Grime.  He must have known what he meant.

And Davel said "Most probable stranger abduction", but all your criticism is directed at me, or at least I think it is. 

Davel used "suggestive" and "most probable" as parts of his arguments.  I don't have a problem with that if he is able to define the level of suggestion and degree probability.

[Mr Gray]

And Davel said "Most probable stranger abduction", but all your criticism is directed at me, or at least I think it is. 

Davel used "suggestive" and "most probable" as parts of his arguments.  I don't have a problem with that if he is able to define the level of suggestion and degree probability.

I've defined mine but Grime hasn't. I can't say what Grime meant by suggestive...but we know that suggestive has a degree of uncertainty

[Brietta]

I can't agree with you that there is no evidence against the McCanns.  There are multiple things that have been done and said that makes many of us question what is going on.  What the evidence points to is the question in my mind.  Just because I say evidence, I don't mean that the McCanns hid Madeleine themselves, but I still feel there is a story they are not sharing with us.

Your opinion isn't evidence, Rob.

[G-Unit]

Stockham testified that he developed a cadaver dog program for the FBI starting in
2005.15 While developing this program, he met Martin Grime, a National Homicide Search
Advisor in the United Kingdom who worked with cadaver dogs. In 2010 or 2011, Grime started
to work with the FBI to help develop its program.


so why does Grime claim in 2007

I am a Special Advisor to The U.S. Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of

Investigation, in relation to their Canine Forensic Program.


when stockham says it was 2010

As a UK police officer he advised the FBI and Stockham in setting up their programme. He was certainly in the US as Eddie's training was enhanced by expanding his training to include actual cadavers before attending PdL.

In 2010 he was contracted to work for them to provide Subject Matter Expert consultancy to the US Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Evidence Response Team in respect of the Forensic Canine Program, Victim Recovery Team.

"In 2010 or 2011, Grime started to work with the FBI to help develop its program. The program started seeing improved results after Grime’s involvement. "
http://www.courts.state.va.us/opinions/opncavwp/0140174.pdf