Is there more circumstantial evidence against the mccanns than there is CB

[barrier]

Grime was hell bent on promoting his Dogs for his own Business Venture.  Not that I blame him for that, but Eddie was not a good example of a Cadaver Dog because he had learned too many old tricks in the process of fulfilling his original purpose.

So even Grime can't have been sure of what Eddie was alerting to. Although he did say that Forensic Evidence was necessary.

Some people just bought what they wanted to see.

Which will never be fulfilled imo Madeleine was long gone.

[Robittybob1]

What I'm suggesting is that if you say there were no deceased persons in the apartment prior to the 3rd May 2007, that does not include any claim for what happens on or after the 3rd.

Amaral might say Madeleine was deceased in the apartment.   I could theorise that it wasn't Madeleine but someone else.   For I say Madeleine was possibly abducted from the road or the car park opposite the Tapas Restaurant entrance.
No double death theory.

The GNR sniffer dogs seem to track Madeleine to the car park.
There were a lot of cadaver dog alerts associated with the McCanns, but no forensic evidence confirming it was Madeleine's DNA.

as Barrier says "Which will never be fulfilled imo Madeleine was long gone."  Long gone.

[Brietta]

Supporter's claim the dogs never alerted to what they were traind for, but  can't tell what they did alert to.

That just is not true Barrier.  There are instances where alerts were backed up by forensics which proved exactly what the dogs alerted to.  For example ~ the Renault key fob.

[Mr Gray]

Supporter's claim the dogs never alerted to what they were traind for, but  can't tell what they did alert to.

As Grime cannot tell us what the alerts were to that is not a surprise. Both dogs were trained to alert to minute quantities of blood...so could be that ..but who knows

[Eleanor]

Which will never be fulfilled imo Madeleine was long gone.

So for how long do you think Madeleine's dead body was lying around in 5A?

[G-Unit]

Supporter's claim the dogs never alerted to what they were traind for, but  can't tell what they did alert to.

Those who support the abduction theory have nothing but praise for Operation Grange and one person in particular is prepared to believe in the German prosecutor Wolters despite knowing nothing about his abilities or track record.

When it comes to a UK police officer who was the best in his area of expertise, (an opinion ratified by the FBI), he receives uninformed but extensive criticism.

In my opinion that's because his findings cast doubt on the abduction theory. Had his dogs alerted to someone else's property and clothing I suspect that they would not have criticised him.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

Those who support the abduction theory have nothing but praise for Operation Grange and one person in particular is prepared to believe in the German prosecutor Wolters despite knowing nothing about his abilities or track record.

When it comes to a UK police officer who was the best in his area of expertise, (an opinion ratified by the FBI), he receives uninformed but extensive criticism.

In my opinion that's because his findings cast doubt on the abduction theory. Had his dogs alerted to someone else's property and clothing I suspect that they would not have criticised him.

Good point G-Unit. Last night I was going to open a thread saying that for all “supporters” imagine the dogs were never summoned in 2007 but instead in 2020 and alerted to Christian Bs house, car, and clothing where he lived in 2007. What would be the opinions not just on these alerts but on all dog alerts, It may be different. But then I thought what’s the point.

[Mr Gray]

Those who support the abduction theory have nothing but praise for Operation Grange and one person in particular is prepared to believe in the German prosecutor Wolters despite knowing nothing about his abilities or track record.

When it comes to a UK police officer who was the best in his area of expertise, (an opinion ratified by the FBI), he receives uninformed but extensive criticism.

In my opinion that's because his findings cast doubt on the abduction theory. Had his dogs alerted to someone else's property and clothing I suspect that they would not have criticised him.

I see you simply disagree with what I have said without adressing any of the issues I've raise..perhaps that's because you can't.

i have provided evidence as to why i challenge the validity of the alertas...what evidence do you have to doubt Wolters.

Do you have s cite that Grime was best in his area of expertise...both a UK one and one from the FBI

[Mr Gray]

Good point G-Unit. Last night I was going to open a thread saying that for all “supporters” imagine the dogs were never summoned in 2007 but instead in 2020 and alerted to Christian Bs house, car, and clothing where he lived in 2007. What would be the opinions not just on these alerts but on all dog alerts, It may be different. But then I thought what’s the point.

you cant assume it would be different...just more sceptic speculation

Perhaps if wolters was implicating the MCCanns then sceptics would be saying how brilliant he is.

[Mr Gray]

Those who support the abduction theory have nothing but praise for Operation Grange and one person in particular is prepared to believe in the German prosecutor Wolters despite knowing nothing about his abilities or track record.

When it comes to a UK police officer who was the best in his area of expertise, (an opinion ratified by the FBI), he receives uninformed but extensive criticism.

In my opinion that's because his findings cast doubt on the abduction theory. Had his dogs alerted to someone else's property and clothing I suspect that they would not have criticised him.

I believe...on the balance of probabiliteis.. HCW has strong evidence that MM is dead and his suspect murdered her.   that isnt just blind beleif its based on several points which ive already expalined. I believe pretty well everything that Grime has said......so whats the difference.

the difference is grime has not said what many sceptics think he has. Perhaps im just better at statement anlysis than some others.

As I remeber...You once posted Grime had said it was his opinion the dog had alerted to cadaver odour...you were wrong and I corrected you

[Icanhandlethetruth]

you cant assume it would be different...just more sceptic speculation

Perhaps if wolters was implicating the MCCanns then sceptics would be saying how brilliant he is.

Look deep into your psyche Davel and tell me you would not find these hypothetical alerts on Christian B to be manna from heaven to your beliefs. Or would you dismiss them as being worthless. Hypothesize please.

[Mr Gray]

Can anyone answer....why did Grime spend so much longer with the dog in examining the renault...calling him back several times before he alerted.

why did Grime say he didnt realise it was the McCanns car when he could clearly see the posters in its windows.

[Mr Gray]

Look deep into your psyche Davel and tell me you would not find these hypothetical alerts on Christian B to be manna from heaven to your beliefs. Or would you dismiss them as being worthless. Hypothesize please.

stop making personal observations re hypothetical situations....its a sign to me you have lost the argument. Stick to discussing the evidence

Dont judge me by your own standards....the answer is I judge any evidence on its merits

[Icanhandlethetruth]

Can anyone answer....why did Grime spend so much longer with the dog in examining the renault...calling him back several times before he alerted.

why did Grime say he didnt realise it was the McCanns car when he could clearly see the posters in its windows.

So with all this talk about the apartment searches not being equitable and Grime spending more time on the scenic than the other cars what do you conclude from this, that he was bad at his job or he was trying to frame 2 innocent parents for the death of their child.

[Mr Gray]

Look deep into your psyche Davel and tell me you would not find these hypothetical alerts on Christian B to be manna from heaven to your beliefs. Or would you dismiss them as being worthless. Hypothesize please.

whats the point of me hypothesising...you wouldnt believe my answer if it didnt suit yoiur beleifs...its  a pathetic question