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Offline faithlilly

Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #345 on: March 04, 2021, 11:26:02 AM »

She might believe Luke is innocent of the murder of Jodi, but that doesn't necessarily  mean that she approves of him , or that  she would want her daughters to be involved with him!

If Luke is innocent then why wouldn’t she approve of him? He’s not the 14 year old who dabbled with pseudo satanic messages or thought it was clever to carry knives. Who knows what he is like now.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #346 on: March 04, 2021, 11:27:29 AM »
From Corinne herself.

Isn’t that interesting John

From an old timeline

10.39pm Judy sends a text to Lukes phone, Right Toad, say goodnight toLuke. Thats you grounded for another week.
10.40pm Luke phones Judy to say he hasnt seen Jodi all night. Judy says she will call round Jodis friends. Luke returns to the house and tells his mother what Judy has said.
10.49pm Judy calls back to say Jodi is nowhere to be found, and she is calling the police. Luke says he will go up the path to look for Jodi, and if he doesnt find her, he will make his way to Judys house to decide what to do next. (This story was later changed to claim that Luke had agreed to meet the other members of the search party at the path.)



10.40pm Luke returns to the house and tells his mother what Judy has said.

Where has he returned to the house from exactly ?

And aren’t the public now being fooled into thinking Mitchell was in the house when he received the text message from Judy?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #347 on: March 04, 2021, 11:28:46 AM »

She might believe Luke is innocent of the murder of Jodi, but that doesn't necessarily  mean that she approves of him , or that  she would want her daughters to be involved with him!
Personally I would not devote years of my life to freeing a person from prison who I did not approve of or who I thought would be bad for me or my family to be mixed up with.  She must be absolutely 100% convinced of his innocence IMO to be that devoted, and I wonder why exactly she is? 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Nicholas

Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #348 on: March 04, 2021, 11:47:36 AM »
She must be absolutely 100% convinced of his innocence IMO to be that devoted, and I wonder why exactly she is?

I can vouch for the fact Sandra Lean most certainly appeared to falter in her belief of Mitchell’s innocence following Simon Halls death in custody - she sounded to me as though she felt she’d been duped

I’ve wasted ten years of my life’

How else can the above be interpreted?

She even compared the Mitchell ‘mother son relationship’ to that of Halls and his (adoptive) mother
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Offline Brietta

Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #349 on: March 04, 2021, 11:51:25 AM »
The entirety of the evidence would appear to support the verdict.

Defending the conduct of the police investigation detective chief superintendent Craig Dobbie said of the trial, "We have been scrutinised by one of the finest defence lawyers in the country, but not one point has been inadmissible."
https://www.scotsman.com/news/clues-snared-murderer-2470415

After one of the most exhaustive trials ever in held in Scotland Mitchell was found guilty of murdering Jodi; two subsequent appeals have failed and other proposed appeals did not meet the criteria to reach the courts.

There was a reason for the presiding judge to rule that Mitchell should serve twenty years before being considered for parole.
In my opinion the various campaigns over the years and the present one may very well be ensuring that Mitchell never gets the opportunity to walk free again and who is to say whether or not that might be the best option for females in the area he might move to or return to.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #350 on: March 04, 2021, 11:58:13 AM »
Defending the conduct of the police investigation detective chief superintendent Craig Dobbie said of the trial, "We have been scrutinised by one of the finest defence lawyers in the country, but not one point has been inadmissible."
https://www.scotsman.com/news/clues-snared-murderer-2470415

After one of the most exhaustive trials ever in held in Scotland Mitchell was found guilty of murdering Jodi; two subsequent appeals have failed and other proposed appeals did not meet the criteria to reach the courts.

There was a reason for the presiding judge to rule that Mitchell should serve twenty years before being considered for parole.
In my opinion the various campaigns over the years and the present one may very well be ensuring that Mitchell never gets the opportunity to walk free again and who is to say whether or not that might be the best option for females in the area he might move to or return to.

Look at other miscarriages of justice. Many go through the appeal process several times before finally accepting that a miscarriage of justice has been perpetrated.

Interesting fact on the Hall case. One of those supporting his campaign for freedom was none other than the now Labour leader Keir Starmer.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #351 on: March 04, 2021, 12:07:40 PM »
I don't know what you're on about, sorry.  I have not accused her of making anyone a murderer.

Jixy states
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Dont you think the people involved in these cases should be held accountable?

Yes I do  8((()*/

I was naive to psychopathy and the many other personality disorders - and held my hands up to this fact 

So why is it no one appears to be asking why Lynn Hall, Shaun Hall and Stephanie Bon lied about the Zenith burglary and from day dot it seems?

And why has no one - apart from me - asked why the prosecution failed to prosecute Simon Hall on the basis of the murder being sexually motivated as opposed to ‘a burglary gone wrong’?

Jixy also states
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We were even given names of the 'real murderers' in one of the cases Sandra is blamed for being totally responsible for

What - like Sandra Lean and others are doing regarding Luke Mitchell now? *&^^&

Where did the names of the ‘real murderers’ originate from Jixy?

And who is it you are accusing of ‘blaming’ Sandra Lean and who is suggesting she is totally responsible for this?

Explain?

Finally for now - Jixy states,
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Sandra DID NOT make anyone a murderer

Who is making claim she did?

And - what ‘makes a murderer’ - do you know Jixy ?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #352 on: March 04, 2021, 12:07:52 PM »
Look at other miscarriages of justice. Many go through the appeal process several times before finally accepting that a miscarriage of justice has been perpetrated.

Interesting fact on the Hall case. One of those supporting his campaign for freedom was none other than the now Labour leader Keir Starmer.
One good reason not to vote for him. 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

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Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #353 on: March 04, 2021, 12:32:56 PM »
Personally I would not devote years of my life to freeing a person from prison who I did not approve of or who I thought would be bad for me or my family to be mixed up with.  She must be absolutely 100% convinced of his innocence IMO to be that devoted, and I wonder why exactly she is?

I have never met  Sandra Lean, but I assume she is convinced of his innocence, and is willing to put her reputation on the line because she is appalled at the thought of a young man having been wrongly convicted.  I can't say whether she is right or wrong, but I admire her for what she has done.


Offline Nicholas

Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #354 on: March 04, 2021, 12:35:34 PM »
Look at other miscarriages of justice. Many go through the appeal process several times before finally accepting that a miscarriage of justice has been perpetrated.

A ‘miscarriage of justice’ is not a finding of factual innocence or that the person or persons didn’t commit the crime they were originally convicted of

What it is said to be is ‘a breach of the carriage of justice’ (Naughton 2006)

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Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #355 on: March 04, 2021, 12:49:01 PM »
Look at other miscarriages of justice. Many go through the appeal process several times before finally accepting that a miscarriage of justice has been perpetrated.

Interesting fact on the Hall case. One of those supporting his campaign for freedom was none other than the now Labour leader Keir Starmer.

It just goes to show how the smartest people can be sucked in and conned by propaganda.

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #357 on: March 04, 2021, 01:15:43 PM »
I have never met  Sandra Lean, but I assume she is convinced of his innocence, and is willing to put her reputation on the line because she is appalled at the thought of a young man having been wrongly convicted.  I can't say whether she is right or wrong, but I admire her for what she has done.

She wasn’t in 2014 and others were made aware of this at the time
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Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #358 on: March 04, 2021, 01:28:28 PM »
She wasn’t in 2014 and others were made aware of this at the time


Any idea what changed her mind?

Offline Brietta

Re: Channel Five documentary - "Murder in a Small Town"
« Reply #359 on: March 04, 2021, 01:40:45 PM »
I have never met  Sandra Lean, but I assume she is convinced of his innocence, and is willing to put her reputation on the line because she is appalled at the thought of a young man having been wrongly convicted.  I can't say whether she is right or wrong, but I admire her for what she has done.

I didn't know much about Sandra Lean if anything;  she didn't come over well to me on the Ch5 documentary and reading through posts on the forum I see that at one stage she had a parting of the ways with Mitchell's campaign.

While agreeing with the right of prisoners to challenge their convictions as and when and if new evidence emerges I have concerns about the effects of the way in which social media is used, as in this case.

Mitchell has had a lengthy trial in which he had the best legal representation possible; he was allowed two appeals, both of which failed and there has been no further evidence justifying another.

Jodi's family are living through all of this and I think it would be appropriate for a true professional to give that some consideration when traducing their lives throughout the blogosphere between failed appeal attempts.

For example with regard to another case
"After Hall's confession last summer, her family said they finally had the closure they had desperately sought since her death.

'During the last ten years the publicity surrounding the appeals has been very distressing for our family, making moving on impossible,' they said in a statement.

'We are grateful to those who have helped us throughout this difficult ordeal.' Hall backed up his initial claim that he was wrongly convicted by submitting two applications to the Criminal Cases Review Commission to consider his case.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2566264/Murderer-spent-ten-years-claiming-innocent-dead-cell-months-finally-admitting-killing-woman-79.html

There are many more lives affected by Sandra Lean's efforts than Mitchell's but in my opinion she doesn't appear to pay that proper regard.
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"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....