"Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean

[Nicholas]

Thing is it was never 10.20.

It was during the trial

And it was on the night of 30th June 2003

[Nicholas]

Thing is it was never 10.20.

Some of Parky’s forum posts were re-published as guest blogs but that wasn’t an indication we agreed with his timings (for an example) 

Killer Luke Mitchell: Clearing Up That Obtuse Line Of Reasoning Of The ‘Search Party’ (Part 119)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/08/killer-luke-mitchell-clearing-up-that-obtuse-line-of-reasoning-of-the-search-party-part-119/

Judith Jones first sent a text message at 10:20pm

Killer Luke Mitchell phoned Judith

Around 10:30pm Judith Jones was phoning around friends/family - she also woke up her son

30th June 2003 TIMELINE Of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/

[faithlilly]

Some of Parky’s forum posts were re-published as guest blogs but that wasn’t an indication we agreed with his timings (for an example) 

Killer Luke Mitchell: Clearing Up That Obtuse Line Of Reasoning Of The ‘Search Party’ (Part 119)
👇
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/11/08/killer-luke-mitchell-clearing-up-that-obtuse-line-of-reasoning-of-the-search-party-part-119/

Judith Jones first sent a text message at 10:20pm

Killer Luke Mitchell phoned Judith

Around 10:30pm Judith Jones was phoning around friends/family - she also woke up her son

30th June 2003 TIMELINE Of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
👇
http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/

Who are we?

I have already posted links to what Judith Jones said in court. The text was 10.40.

I’m really not sure where you got your timings from as they were certainly not mentioned by the Crown or Judith Jones herself and you refuse to say but you are demonstrably wrong. Your determination to undermine Dr Lean is simply making you look foolish.

BTW is it true that you’ve been trolling the aunt of the woman who proof read Scott Forbes book?

[Nicholas]

Who are we?

None of your business!

[Nicholas]

The text was 10.40.

The text was 10:20pm!

[Nicholas]

 mentioned by the Crown … Judith Jones

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12411779.she-gave-me-a-kiss-and-went-out-i-never-saw-jodi-again-mother-tells-murder-trial-of-phone-calls-to-accused-after-daughter-went-missing/

[Nicholas]

BTW is it true that you’ve been trolling the aunt of the woman who proof read Scott Forbes book?

No

[Nicholas]

the woman who proof read Scott Forbes book?

was Sandra Lean

[faithlilly]

The text was 10:20pm!

Nope.

[faithlilly]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12411779.she-gave-me-a-kiss-and-went-out-i-never-saw-jodi-again-mother-tells-murder-trial-of-phone-calls-to-accused-after-daughter-went-missing/

Also from the Herald…and every other media outlet who reported on it.

“ For future reference this is a source.

“At 10.40, some 40 minutes after Jodi should have been home, the alarm bells began to ring.

Her mother sent a text message, intended for Jodi, to Luke's mobile phone. Using her pet name for her daughter of "Toad", the text said:

"Two weeks grounding Toad, say bye to Luke."

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12401131.why-silent-and-defiant-to-the-end-luke-mitchell-denied-the-family-of-jodi-jones-the-one-answer-they-needed/

[faithlilly]

No

That’s not what I hear.

[faithlilly]

was Sandra Lean

No it wasn’t.

[Nicholas]

No it wasn’t.

Sandra Lean had the text at 10:39pm for years - did you ever figure out where she got that from?

It was a chicken pie then a steak pie

 

Then prawns

 

[Nicholas]

Jigsawman aka Sandra Lean

Timeline Monday June 30th 2003.

4.05pm Jodi returns home from school
4.34 4.38pm Series of texts between Lukes phone and Judys phone (Jodis phone was broken, so Jodi borrowed her mothers)
4.39pm (approx) Judy plays a Rod Stewart track which lasts more than 5 minutes to Jodi and Joseph, leaving just 4 minutes for Jodi to get ready and leave in order for Bryson to have spotted her at 4.48
4.48-4.54pm Andrina Bryson sees a girl and a youth on the entrance to the path
4.50-4.55pm [Name removed] leaves on the motorbike to meet [Name removed] at 5pm. It is believed (although not confirmed) that he picked up the bike from [Name removed]s garden and drove along Lady path which runs at right angles to Roans Dyke, before cutting through the woods to meet [Name removed].
4.55pm Luke phones his mothers work and speaks to his grandmother
4.58pm 5.10 (approx) Shane is on the internet, so the home landline is engaged.
5.00pm Two youths on the moped are chased from the tool hire premises at Newbattle, and head towards the Newbattle entrance to the path
5.03pm Luke phones the speaking clock from his mobile
5.03 5.05pm Mystery man is spotted by 2 witnesses following Jodi on the street, on her way to the path. (Spot the obvious mistake according to the Bryson sighting, she was already on the path some 9 minutes earlier) Bryson did not see the mystery man
5.03-5.15pm Somewhere in this time window, the young mum was seen walking up the same street. She saw nothing.
5.03 5.15pm A cyclist travelling up the path from the Newbattle end hears a strangling sound behind the wall. He does not see the boys on the moped, or the mystery man, or Jodi
5.05pm The youths are seen re-starting the bike, which has cut out, at the entrance to the path
5.07pm Corinne captured on CCTV in the local shop on her way home from work
5.15pm Corinne arrives home from work.
5.15pm Jodi is believed to have been murdered at this time
5.15pm The moped is propped against the wall at the V, but the riders are nowhere to be seen
5.30pm Luke leaves the house and walks to the end of the street
5.32pm Luke calls Jodis house, but the line is engaged
5.40pm Luke calls the house again this time Alan Ovens answers. He says he
told Luke Jodi had left to meet him. Luke doesnt remember exactly what was said.
5.40pm Judy and Alan leave the house to go to the cemetery immediately
following the phone call from Luke (therefore Joseph now has no alibi)
5.45 5.50 Three schoolboys see Luke sitting on a wall at the end of his street (they passed him twice, as one of them got a puncture in his bike tyre, and they had to double back.)
5.50 6.05 6 witnesses say they saw a youth hanging around on the Newbattle Road, between the end of Lukes street, and the entrance to the path (although none of them claims to have seen him at the entrance itself.) Luke says he wandered up the street a little way to Barondale Cottages, which is approximately halfway between the end of his street and the entrance to the path, to see if he could see Jodi coming. He told the police this before these witnesses came forward.
6.50-6.55pm Luke phones some male friends to see what they are doing, as Jodi still hasnt shown
7pm Luke phones his mother to tell her if Jodi comes to the house, he is in The Abbey, and to tell Jodi to come there.
9pm After hanging around the abbey for a couple of hours, the boys head for home. Luke goes up to his room and puts on a video of Red dwarf.
10.30pm Luke takes the dog for her last walk of the evening.
10.39pm Judy sends a text to Lukes phone, Right Toad, say goodnight toLuke. Thats you grounded for another week.
10.40pm Luke phones Judy to say he hasnt seen Jodi all night. Judy says she will call round Jodis friends. Luke returns to the house and tells his mother what Judy has said.
10.49pm Judy calls back to say Jodi is nowhere to be found, and she is calling the police. Luke says he will go up the path to look for Jodi, and if he doesnt find her, he will make his way to Judys house to decide what to do next. (This story was later changed to claim that Luke had agreed to meet the other members of the search party at the path.)
10.51pm Luke leaves the house with a torch and the dog. It is still light, but beginning to get dark the sky is blue rather than black)
11.03 11.05pm Luke sees people at the Easthouses end of the path. They do not come towards him, but wait for him to approach. It is the family search party.
11.06pm A call is answered on the landline in Alice Walkers house. The family search party claim they left after this call was taken. If the plan had been for Luke to leave immediately (at 10.49pm) to meet the other members of the search party, why did Judy wait until 6 minutes past 11, a full 15 minutes, before calling them to tell them of this arrangement?
And how did they manage to be at the top of the path before this time?
11.10 11.25pm The search party go back down the path, and find the body.
00.00 Luke is taken to Dalkeith Police station, stripped, medically examined, and samples taken for forensic analysis, then a statement is taken, the whole process lasting until 7am.
00.00-00.15 Forensics officer arrives at the scene, but cannot climb over the wall, so leaves. The body is uncovered.
03.00am Craig Dobbie becomes SIO
4.00am-4.30am The family search party is in Judys house, the police begin to take their statements (more than 4 hours after Luke is taken in, and after they have had the opportunity to speak to other members of the family. Their clothes are not taken for forensic examination, neither are they examined, or have samples taken.)
05.00-05.30 Police photographer/videographer records the scene. Overhanging branches have been cut down to make it easier for him to take pictures. During this time, Dobbie has spoken to the pathologist it appears he took the pathologist to the scene, although this is not absolutely clear from the records, and he was never asked directly. The body is still uncovered.
00.00-08.00am Sometime during this 8 hour period, the body was moved, rolled onto a plastic sheet, and items around it gathered up. There is no record of when this was done, or by whom. The body was left uncovered in the rain for the whole of this period..

And there’s no way the killer left at 10:51 - he was already out with the dog

[faithlilly]

Sandra Lean had the text at 10:39pm for years - did you ever figure out where she got that from?

It was a chicken pie then a steak pie

 

Then prawns

 

Deflecting again. The text was not sent at 10.20.

And the boys had the pie, Corrine the prawns.