"Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean

[Nicholas]

The 2008 Court of Appeal judgement also said that Judith Jones contacted Luke for the first time at 10.41pm so, by your reasoning, that must be right,right?

The 2006 court of appeal judgement stated “[1] On 11 January 2005 the trial judge sentenced him to be detained without limit of time,..

The 11th January was 10 days before the jury reached a verdict

And scammer Sandra Lean claims the time was 10:38pm

[faithlilly]

The 2006 court of appeal judgement stated “[1] On 11 January 2005 the trial judge sentenced him to be detained without limit of time,..

The 11th January was 10 days before the jury reached a verdict

And scammer Sandra Lean claims the time was 10:38pm

So your quote


“At the conclusion of the interview with the accused, which was not under caution and in respect of which evidence had been led without objection, he agreed to the taking of his clothes by the police and the examination of his person and the taking of a blood sample by a police surgeon”

May be wrong too?

[Nicholas]

So your quote


“At the conclusion of the interview with the accused, which was not under caution and in respect of which evidence had been led without objection, he agreed to the taking of his clothes by the police and the examination of his person and the taking of a blood sample by a police surgeon”

May be wrong too?

I don’t disagree

But then why would those judges choose to state the taking of his clothes and the examination by the police surgeon took place at the conclusion of his interview

Is it because the police surgeon Kranti Hiremath attended killer Luke Mitchell’s crime scene first “to pronounce death” and then returned to Dalkeith police station to carry out the examination?

[faithlilly]

I don’t disagree

But then why would those judges choose to state the taking of his clothes and the examination by the police surgeon took place at the conclusion of his interview

A misunderstanding? A slip of the pen? Who knows?

The point is that you claim that we can’t place any reliance on the accuracy of the 2008 Appeal Judgement on one hand but use it as a source on the other. Contradictory?

[Nicholas]

A misunderstanding? A slip of the pen? Who knows?

The point is that you claim that we can’t place any reliance on the accuracy of the 2008 Appeal Judgement on one hand but use it as a source on the other. Contradictory?

The judges specifically stated;

“At the conclusion of the interview with the accused..”

Why would they choose to make this statement?

At the “conclusion” of killer Luke Mitchell’s interview would suggest his clothes weren’t requested until around 5am in the morning

Donald Findlays questioning during trial also suggests the examination didn’t take place until around 5-6am in the morning

“She checked for any injuries, and saw an abrasion on each of Mitchell’s shins. The more recent was between 24 and 48 hours old. Mr Findlay asked: "There were no injuries that had the appearance of being received in the previous 12 hours?"

Why did he say “the previous 12 hours” if he was allegedly examined around 8 hours after he had committed his murder?

Why did Donald Findlay not say previous 8 hours?

12 hours after his murder would be around 5am on 1st July 2003

[Mr Apples]

What did sadistic killer Luke Mitchell tell police had happened to his shins?

He didn’t play any sport, going by all the accounts, and he had been at school on the Monday, with no reported incidents involving his shins

So the shin abrasions appear to be linked to his murder

It's a strong possibility that LM's shin abrasions were linked to the murder. Jodi may not have been able to use her hands or arms due to being overpowered by LM (a couple of his ex-girlfriends attested to how physically strong he was), but her legs and feet could certainly have made forceful contact with his shins during the struggle in that woodland strip. It would be interesting to read Dr Kranti's full reports on LM's & Jodi's physical condition on 01.07.03. I presume the police would've sought a second opinion outwith Dr Kranti's findings, from another forensic medical examiner? Would she have examined Jodi's body on the morning of 01.07.03 in addition to Luke's?

[Nicholas]

It's a strong possibility that LM's shin abrasions were linked to the murder. Jodi may not have been able to use her hands or arms due to being overpowered by LM (a couple of his ex-girlfriends attested to how physically strong he was), but her legs and feet could certainly have made forceful contact with his shins during the struggle in that woodland strip.

Weren’t Jodi Jones socks said to be covered in dirt?

[Mr Apples]

Weren’t Jodi Jones socks said to be covered in dirt?

Yes, but I think her clothing, including footwear & socks, was removed after she died.

[Mr Apples]

Weren’t Jodi Jones socks said to be covered in dirt?

Possibly a result of a violent struggle, footwear coming off. But, then, was there evidence of feet digging into the ground at the locus?

[Nicholas]

It would be interesting to read Dr Kranti's full reports on LM's & Jodi's physical condition on 01.07.03.

Do you think it was dr Kranti Hiremath who attended killer Luke Mitchell’s crime scene?

[Nicholas]

Yes, but I think her clothing, including footwear & socks, was removed after she died.

What makes you think this?

[Mr Apples]

Do you think it was dr Kranti Hiremath who attended killer Luke Mitchell’s crime scene?

Yes.

[Nicholas]

Possibly a result of a violent struggle, footwear coming off. But, then, was there evidence of feet digging into the ground at the locus?

There was a torrential downpour of rain at around 7:30pm that evening and it rained some more after the torrential downpour

Guessing the woodlands became muddy after this

[Nicholas]

Dr Kranti's findings, from another forensic medical examiner? Would she have examined Jodi's body on the morning of 01.07.03 in addition to Luke's?

Didn’t Anthony Busuttil examine Jodi Jones body?

Both Kranti Hiremath and Anthony Busuttil were referred to here
https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/docs/default-source/cos-general-docs/pdf-docs-for-opinions/2021hcjac50.pdf?sfvrsn=bd926374_1

[Mr Apples]

What makes you think this?

I think most of her clothing was removed after she stopped breathing or was in the process of dying. Maybe the poor girl's footwear came off before death, for example during the struggle?