"Innocents Betrayed " by Sandra Lean

[Chris_Halkides]

Mr Apples,

Neither of your scenarios fits the data well.  That is before we even consider whether either one is likely for other reasons.  Direct transfer is a better fit to the data.

[Nicholas]

Kerry Tremble Kevan
 I was listening to the Bob Ruff podcast last night part 6 with Dr Lean & totally shocked to hear the part with SK screaming down the phone to the police along thelines "where the hell are you's, we phoned an hour ago" when that time frame hadn't passed & but seems to tie into the strange call claiming to be JuJ before jodi was even found.

Sandra Lean
It's very strange, Kerry. He said, in full, "We phoned them an hour ago.

There is nothing “strange” about the 10:45pm phone call to the police - this is when Judith Jones reported her daughter Jodi Jones missing

They were in the mother's house - they were supposed to be meeting us here." Let me compare that with all the other, known evidence.

(1) The police arrived in JuJ's house at 23.18. She told JaJ this on the phone. According to JaJ, she took that call while the search trio were still in "the complex" - still at least 5 mins from the entrance to the path, with (what should have been) no knowledge that they would be going DOWN the path or finding Jodi there.

Problems with SK's comments

There are zero “problems” with Steven Kelly’s comments

- this was only 26 minutes before his 999 call, claiming they called "an hour ago." No-one could have known "an hour ago"

Judith Jones telephoned the police at 10:45pm

what time the police would arrive at JaJ's house. There could have been no arrangement to "meet us here" (e.g. where Jodi was found) at 23.18 because (a) they weren't there and (b) no-one should have known that Jodi's body would be found, behind the wall, west of the V break, 15 minutes later.

(2). The first point at which the police had any clue where they were, or that "something" had been found, was in Luke's 999 call at approximately 11.35 and the almost immediate police call back at 11.38 to check their whereabouts.

Killer Luke Mitchell’s “whereabouts” was still on the other side of the wall - standing in his crime scene

These calls are 9 and 6 minutes, respectively, before SK's 999 call at 11.44. No arrangement could have been made for the police to "meet them there" at 11.35, because the police had no idea where "there" was. So, it could only have been in the 11.38 call that such an arrangement could be made.

This is yet more of scammer Sandra Lean’s ramblef..kery

But, the first 2 - 3 minutes of that call are nothing but confusion -

Understandably

the police are at the opposite end of Lady path and the 999 operator is trying to figure out where Luke (and Luke alone - he doesn't appear to know there are others there)

Was killer Luke Mitchell still standing on the other side of the wall in his crime scene

Why didn’t he tell the 999 operator the other three were on the other side of the wall 🙄 

is, in relation to where the two officers are. That takes us to at least 11.40 - just 4 minutes before SK's call saying there was an arrangement for the police to meet them "there."

🙄

In reality, Luke has just finished telling them "we've found something" and the operator has just finished relaying "the laddie's in a bit of a panic - he's saying he's found something, he won't say what," when SK dials 999 and says, "It's a body - tell them it's a f**king body." So any "arrangement to meet" anyone at Roan's Dyke path

Steven Kelly did not say roans dyke path

was still in the process of being made at 11.44 when SK made his 999 call.

(3) How could the police be "supposed to be meeting us here" when they appeared to have no knowledge, whatsoever, that the other 3 searchers were there? Any arrangement, however confused, was to locate and meet LUKE,

No - killer Luke Mitchell said he would search the path then head to Judith Jones house 🙄

 not a "search party". The only number they had was Luke's. The only reference they made in their calls with the operator was to Luke. The operator relayed Luke's call in the singular - he says, he's in a panic, he's found something. And, when they arrive at the V break, the first officer radios in " there are three other people here - the granny, the sister and the sister's boyfriend. I think HE's found it." So clearly, right up to the point where they arrive at the V break, those officers had no idea there was anyone other than Luke there. But SK would have the 999 operator

 (and the rest of us) 🙄

The same Steven Kelly Sandra Lean and Corinne Mitchell were pretending in 2010 was following Jodi Jones 🙄

believe there was an arrangement to meet THEM at the V "an hour ago"

Around “an hour ago” was when the police were first called

 - 50 minutes before Jodi's body was found and before it was even confirmed that Jodi was actually "missing"

10:15pm-10:20pm is when Judith Jones first contacted killer Luke Mitchell

 (since, exactly 59 minutes prior to that call, when the "mystery" call was being made reporting Jodi "missing", her mother had just started a call with Jodi's gran to check if Jodi had been at her gran's, instead of with Luke - she was still on that call while the missing person call was ongoing).

When you remember that every single one of them - JuJ, [Name removed], SK, JoF, AW - had Jodi "missing" before it was known she hadn't been with Luke (only JaJ got the original timing of her mother's call to the Gran's, looking for Jodi, correct), you really do have to wonder what the truth is.

Not if you know some of the basic facts you don’t Sandra

🙄

The police were first called at 10:45pm - which would have been around “an hour ago”

Steven Kelly was correct

TIMELINE Of Almost 15 Year Old Scottish Teenage Killer Luke Mitchell’s Murder (Part 174)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/09/30th-june-2003-timeline-of-14-year-old-killer-luke-mitchells-murder-part-174/

[Nicholas]

Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995
This Act allows anyone who is not a person convicted at Trial to apply under this section of the Act to obtain a copy of a transcript for any part of the proceedings that has been held in open court. Open court is a court or trial to which members of the public can freely attend.

How to make a request for a transcript
If you wish to make a request for a Criminal transcript, you can do so by emailing your request to transcriptions@scotcourts.gov.uk

Your email should specify the following:
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[Nicholas]

Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995
This Act allows anyone who is not a person convicted at Trial to apply under this section of the Act to obtain a copy of a transcript for any part of the proceedings that has been held in open court. Open court is a court or trial to which members of the public can freely attend.

How to make a request for a transcript
If you wish to make a request for a Criminal transcript, you can do so by emailing your request to transcriptions@scotcourts.gov.uk

Your email should specify the following:
the full name of the case
the court location where these proceedings were held
the court proceedings that you wish to be transcribed including the dates of same
the reasons you are looking for the transcripts

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/the-courts/supreme-courts/about-the-court-of-session/high-court/criminal-proceedings-transcripts#:~:text=Scotland)%20Order%201993.-,Criminal%20Procedure%20(Scotland)%20Act%201995,been%20held%20in%20open%20court.

TIMELINE Of When The Majority Of Witnesses Gave Evidence During Murderers Trial (Part 273)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/09/06/killer-luke-mitchell-list-of-dates-when-the-majority-of-witnesses-during-murderers-trial-gave-evidence-part-273/

Killer Luke Mitchell & His Abusive Innocence Fraud Enablers Have Hidden The Murderers Evidence From Their Cult Followers, Including His 22 Page Written Police Statement Dated 1st July 2003 & The Content Of His 4th July & 14th August 2003 & 14th April 2004 Recorded Police Interviews (Part 65)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/09/17/warped-minded-abuser-gaslighter-con-artist-hypocrite-scott-forbes-his-blatant-lies-part-65/

[Nicholas]

”The Luke Mitchell trial transcripts”

https://justiceforlukemitchell.blogspot.com/2023/10/the-luke-mitchell-trial-transcripts_20.html

[Nicholas]

Scammer Sandra Lean stated during her “keeping the record straight” video

”That makes me very sad

There was a point at which Jodi wondered if Luke was cheating on her

Not with Kimberley

Somebody else

And do you know what made her wonder about that

Her mum suggested it

There was another good friend that, female friend, that they went about with

All the time

And her mum suggested that maybe Luke had something going with the friend as well

Jo, eh Jodi approached both of them

They were both absolutely horrified

And reassured her that that was absolutely not the case”

Jodi Jones suspicions were correct!

Killer Luke Mitchell was “cheating on” Jodi Jones

Which Kimberly were you referring to Sandra?

[Nicholas]

Ana Azalia
Ronnie Mothersole Yes - that's why we need the review! These questions that exist right now - we can't answer them ourselves, it would just be speculation.
And we shouldn't be trying to decide who is guilty or otherwise, that is the same as trying to solve the case - we can recognise that Luke's conviction was a farse, but we can't do the same to others, there needs to be more definitive proof/evidence and it needs to be done properly

It was done properly Ana - back in 2004/05 - only you weren’t there and didn’t t hear all the evidence

Sandra Lean also claimed she does not have all the evidence around telephone calls/text

See copy of Facebook post by Ana Azalia here
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Never-ending Lies From Compulsive Liar Corinne Mitchell (Part 84)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2022/10/25/killer-luke-mitchell-neverending-lies-from-compulsive-liar-corinne-mitchell-part-84/

It appears Ana Azalia has left the group

[Nicholas]

Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995
This Act allows anyone who is not a person convicted at Trial to apply under this section of the Act to obtain a copy of a transcript for any part of the proceedings that has been held in open court. Open court is a court or trial to which members of the public can freely attend.

How to make a request for a transcript
If you wish to make a request for a Criminal transcript, you can do so by emailing your request to transcriptions@scotcourts.gov.uk

Your email should specify the following:
the full name of the case
the court location where these proceedings were held
the court proceedings that you wish to be transcribed including the dates of same
the reasons you are looking for the transcripts

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/the-courts/supreme-courts/about-the-court-of-session/high-court/criminal-proceedings-transcripts#:~:text=Scotland)%20Order%201993.-,Criminal%20Procedure%20(Scotland)%20Act%201995,been%20held%20in%20open%20court.

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[Nicholas]

Kerry Tremble Kevan
 I was listening to the Bob Ruff podcast last night part 6 with Dr Lean & totally shocked to hear the part with SK screaming down the phone to the police along thelines "where the hell are you's, we phoned an hour ago" when that time frame hadn't passed & but seems to tie into the strange call claiming to be JuJ before jodi was even found.

Sandra Lean
It's very strange, Kerry. He said, in full, "We phoned them an hour ago. They were in the mother's house - they were supposed to be meeting us here." Let me compare that with all the other, known evidence.

 

The “known evidence” Sandra is that Judith Jones telephoned the police at around 10:45 pm to report her daughter Jodi Jones missing

[Nicholas]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12406880.phone-record-of-jodi-murder-accused-wiped/
7 January 2005

"Both the inbox and outbox were empty, but the SIM card revealed a message received on the evening of Friday, June 27, 2003, saying: "Luke its Kim im at ma grans can u phone mi on (number) Love u xKimx" Another message on the SIM card at 10.41pm from Jodi's mother read: "2 wks grounding toad . . . Say bye 2 luke"."

The Herald reported the time of the text to be 10:41.  An earlier article from the same newspaper indicated that the time was 10:20.

The Herald were repeating what killer Luke Mitchell had claimed

The reporter for the Herald quoted killer Luke Mitchell’s evidence - they (and you & many others) failed to take into consideration Judith Jones evidence

Dc Alan Towers had read from killer Luke Mitchell’s 22 page written witness statement

10:41pm was the time the killer had told police he received Judith Jones text message - he lied!

“A text message to his mobile from Jodi's mother at 10.41pm the previous night first alerted him to the fact that something was wrong, he said”
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12409505.boy-friend-tells-how-dog-found-jodi-accused-said-he-recognised-girlfriends-bloody-body/

The jury heard the above evidence on Monday 20th December 2004

The jury had already heard Judith Jones evidence on Friday the 26th November - which was that she had sent a text to the killers mobile at 10:20pm

On Friday the 7th January 2005 the jury were told that killer Luke Mitchell had deleted Judith Jones text message

A "Love U" text message from Kimberley Thomson, a former girlfriend of Mr Mitchell's, three days before the murder, had also been deleted, along with Judith Jones's attempt to contact her daughter to tell her she was "grounded" for staying out late.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12406880.phone-record-of-jodi-murder-accused-wiped/

[Nicholas]

”The Luke Mitchell trial transcripts”

https://justiceforlukemitchell.blogspot.com/2023/10/the-luke-mitchell-trial-transcripts_20.html

“In a recent Podcast with Bob Ruff (Truth and Justice Podcast), some information was provided by a guest in relation to the availability of Luke Mitchell’s trial transcripts. It was stated that the transcripts are not available, would cost too much, only specified individuals could apply to obtain them and only with a specified reason. 

Presumably the “guest” was scammer Sandra Lean

”This information contradicts the facts provided to myself directly by the Edinburgh High court, during a phone call. A friend also recently put a request in for the transcripts via e-mail, below is the information that we received, in relation to the statements made in the Podcast. 
 
It appears more and more people are seeing through charlatan and fraudster Sandra Lean’s lies

“[Said on the podcast (Guest): Even if we had money we wouldn’t get through those hoops to qualify to get them, but in terms of money it costs about £110 pounds per hour for transcription to get transcripts, now there were well over 200 hours of evidence in Luke’s case, transcripts take about 3 hours to transcribe per hour of evidence, so way over the £60,000 pounds mark, and given how things are right now I would much rather that money was spent on getting samples tested than going after transcripts that we can't get anyway so I just thought I'd throw that one in to begin.[/color]

What happened to the book donations Sandra? - which your 2nd innocence fraud book is still claiming - on page 378

“Profits from this book are being donated to a new organisation, Long Road to Justice, which aims, in conjunction with other organisations, to assist and highlight cases of claimed wrongful conviction and to educate the wider public about injustice in the UK.


Scammer Sandra Lean Claims The Profits From Her 2018 Book Sales Are Being Donated To An Organisation That Does Not Exist (Part 184)
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http://theerrorsthatplaguethemiscarriageofjusticemovement.home.blog/2023/04/22/killer-luke-mitchell-sandra-lean-claimed-the-profits-from-her-2018-book-were-being-donated-to-an-organisation-that-does-not-exist-part-184/

What is the total of these donated funds now Sandra? 

[Nicholas]

”The Luke Mitchell trial transcripts”

https://justiceforlukemitchell.blogspot.com/2023/10/the-luke-mitchell-trial-transcripts_20.html

”Said on the podcast (Bob/host): So, my understanding, even Luke’s defence does not have the transcripts?
 
Guest: No we have probably about 80% of the transcripts but we are bound we’ve got this purpose we use them for.
 
Bob/host: Right so you can't share them, you have them for to use in his legal defence?
 
Guest: That’s why I've been able to quote from transcripts, but like I said last time if I were to put the whole transcript up that’s where we cross the line unfortunately
 
 

What complete and utter nonsense!

[Nicholas]

”The Luke Mitchell trial transcripts”

https://justiceforlukemitchell.blogspot.com/2023/10/the-luke-mitchell-trial-transcripts_20.html

“Said on the podcast (Bob Ruff): So regardless of cost we couldn’t get them even if we had the money to get them?
 
Guest: No, so to give you an idea specified persons, specified class of person; the prosecutor, any person convicted, any other person named in or immediately effected by any order made by the court or any person authorised to act on behalf of any person, so there's two of them we could use but even if we do, we don’t have specified purpose.
 
What the court actually said: Anyone can apply for the transcripts, but not a convicted person, unless under specific circumstances.

More and more people are seeing through your bare faced lies Sandra

[Nicholas]

The sister of Ashley Coutts mother's boyfriend lived with sadistic killer Luke Mitchell's father Philip Mitchell in Livingston and Ashleigh would sometimes visit Philip Mitchell’s house.

She may well have been the 11 year old girl killer Luke Mitchell also previously attacked with a knife

The girl, who was just 11 at the time, was visiting Mitchell's father Philip, a family friend.
In the middle of the night, he climbed on top of her, held a knife to her throat and demanded she kiss him. https://www.scotsman.com/sport/sport-opinion/glasgow-warriors-fans-will-need-some-convincing-that-danny-wilson-is-not-the-cut-price-option-1401861

The other Kimberley Thomson was apparently 11 years old when she “dated” killer Luke Mitchell

or it was the other Kimberley Thomson (the one who went on to become a model)

[Nicholas]

“[Said on the podcast (Guest): Even if we had money we wouldn’t get through those hoops to qualify to get them, but in terms of money it costs about £110 pounds per hour for transcription to get transcripts, now there were well over 200 hours of evidence in Luke’s case, transcripts take about 3 hours to transcribe per hour of evidence, so way over the £60,000 pounds mark, and given how things are right now I would much rather that money was spent on getting samples tested than going after transcripts that we can't get anyway so I just thought I'd throw that one in to begin.[/color]

What happened to the book donations Sandra? - which your 2nd innocence fraud book is still claiming - on page 378

“Profits from this book are being donated to a new organisation, Long Road to Justice, which aims, in conjunction with other organisations, to assist and highlight cases of claimed wrongful conviction and to educate the wider public about injustice in the UK.

If scammer Sandra Lean is alleging she has about 80% of the trial transcripts - why didn’t she use £12,000 of the donations from her book sales to obtain the other 20%?