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Offline Rusty

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« Reply #195 on: August 10, 2021, 11:31:14 PM »

How do we know the press have never hounded him?  Perhaps he flatly refuses to speak to them.

Well, what we know for a fact is. He flat out refuses to speak to Lean and his mother. And even you can work out why. It's not as if he stays that far away from them.

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« Reply #196 on: August 10, 2021, 11:38:20 PM »
Well, what we know for a fact is. He flat out refuses to speak to Lean and his mother. And even you can work out why. It's not as if he stays that far away from them.

Indeed.  The purge of the obviously stupid is a curse for the rest of us.

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« Reply #197 on: August 11, 2021, 01:19:19 AM »
Well, what we know for a fact is. He flat out refuses to speak to Lean and his mother. And even you can work out why. It's not as if he stays that far away from them.

So if he has no loyalty to his mother and brother why not clarify that his brother was not at home on the evening of the 30th? He could lout all this appeal, review etc nonsense to bed by simply speaking up. Isn’t that what anyone with any morals would do rather than taking the chance that a child killer may be freed?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

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« Reply #198 on: August 11, 2021, 09:40:48 AM »
Me? Or everyone?

Of course NOT just you!

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« Reply #199 on: August 11, 2021, 09:46:57 AM »
Well, what we know for a fact is. He flat out refuses to speak to Lean and his mother. And even you can work out why. It's not as if he stays that far away from them.

I've no idea where Shane lives. I've never even seen a photo of him, so he obviously doesn't speak to the press, and they must have some arrangement with him, otherwise someone would have photographed him without his permission, and published it by now.

DO we know for a fact that he doesn't speak to his mother? 

Do you know whether or not he speaks to his father?

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« Reply #200 on: August 11, 2021, 04:03:11 PM »
Of course NOT just you!

Thank goodness. I was beginning to wonder if you were constantly picking on me.

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« Reply #201 on: August 11, 2021, 04:16:45 PM »
Thank goodness. I was beginning to wonder if you were constantly picking on me.


Certainly not.

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Offline Mr Apples

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« Reply #203 on: August 11, 2021, 08:50:09 PM »
https://www.scotsman.com/news/lukes-brother-admits-mum-aided-evidence-2510985

Is the inference from this article, that when Shane stated he was ‘affected’ by what his mother had told him and was ‘shaken’ when giving his amended statement to the police, that he was feeling alarmed and uneasy because he knew, deep down, it was a lie? Maybe at that point (between the 4th-6th July ‘03) SM wasn’t fully aware yet that Luke was involved or fully responsible for Jodi’s murder? Perhaps at that point Luke had only confided in Corinne what he had done? She hadn’t told Shane the full details yet? This being kept in the dark and unaware led to Shane’s confusion & uneasiness? Or, inversely, perhaps SM was using the investigation & circumstances as a device to be evasive and ambiguous in his statements (i.e., tell lies by omitting info)? There’s no doubt it would have been a stressful and traumatic experience for all 3 of them, but maybe Shane used it to be evasive so as not to drop anyone in it? After all, there were other indicators in the article that Shane was being a bit evasive — notice that when asked if he had discussed with anyone what he should say in his statement,  he said “in a way”; and when asked if he would have been able to give this information without his mother, he said “not really”. He avoids being unequivocal, much like he did by saying he “couldn’t remember” if Luke was in the house and that he “he might have been there” (he, imo, couldn’t bring himself to categorically say his brother was or wasn’t there, so played it safe; he knew he hadn’t seen his brother, but didn’t want to drop his family in it, so played it safe). I would also like clarification on the landline calls between 1605 & 1625. I’ve never read anything that categorically states that it was Luke who was on both those landline calls and what the exact contents of the phone discussions were. The call from Shane to Luke at 1605 is still shrouded in mystery, and none of them have ever confirmed they spoke to each other on that call. It’s just been assumed they spoke to one another.

The alibi in this case, above all else, makes me feel the most
uneasy. Imo, Luke wasn’t there and was very likely en route to meet Jodi between 1634-1640, after the text exchanges indicating Jodi was no longer grounded (could easily have been in easthouses by 1654 if he left between those times). It’s also very telling that Shane gave no mention of Luke in the house in his very first statement to police (on 03.07.03). He said he couldn’t remember.

While I’ve no doubt that Shane was aggressively interrogated on the 14.04.03 and the police employed tactics to break him, including charging him with perverting the course of Justice, I don’t believe that he couldn’t remember. If you had definitely seen your brother, you would just simply say you did, regardless of the consequences of saying so, especially as it was the one plank of the defence’s case that could’ve seen Luke being free today. The Mitchell household was only a 2-storey detached property — not some mansion. It’s difficult to imagine them not seeing one another that day if they had been in the house together for more than 45 mins and one was allegedly making dinner and playing music whilst doing so. The fact that Shane initially said he couldn’t remember if he had seen Luke (on 03.07.03), then changed it after his mum approached him to remember him about Luke being there (on the 04.07.03), to then renege on that amended statement and revert back to not remembering if he had seen Luke (on 14.04.04), is a concern to me and makes me feel uneasy.

Btw, who was the person on here or on another site to claim they knew SM and that SM had told them, and many others, that he thought Luke was guilty? This person also said they’d be willing to give out Shane’s phone number so that people could phone him personally. It was hard to tell if they were trolling. There was also another post from someone who said that LM’s uncle (his dad’s brother, if memory serves) thinks Luke did it, though it has been suggested that the uncle in question is not mentally stable.   
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Re: THE ALIBI.
« Reply #204 on: August 11, 2021, 09:20:18 PM »
https://www.scotsman.com/news/lukes-brother-admits-mum-aided-evidence-2510985

Is the inference from this article, that when Shane stated he was ‘affected’ by what his mother had told him and was ‘shaken’ when giving his amended statement to the police, that he was feeling alarmed and uneasy because he knew, deep down, it was a lie? Maybe at that point (between the 4th-6th July ‘03) SM wasn’t fully aware yet that Luke was involved or fully responsible for Jodi’s murder? Perhaps at that point Luke had only confided in Corinne what he had done? She hadn’t told Shane the full details yet? This being kept in the dark and unaware led to Shane’s confusion & uneasiness? Or, inversely, perhaps SM was using the investigation & circumstances as a device to be evasive and ambiguous in his statements (i.e., tell lies by omitting info)? There’s no doubt it would have been a stressful and traumatic experience for all 3 of them, but maybe Shane used it to be evasive so as not to drop anyone in it? After all, there were other indicators in the article that Shane was being a bit evasive — notice that when asked if he had discussed with anyone what he should say in his statement,  he said “in a way”; and when asked if he would have been able to give this information without his mother, he said “not really”. He avoids being unequivocal, much like he did by saying he “couldn’t remember” if Luke was in the house and that he “he might have been there” (he, imo, couldn’t bring himself to categorically say his brother was or wasn’t there, so played it safe; he knew he hadn’t seen his brother, but didn’t want to drop his family in it, so played it safe). I would also like clarification on the landline calls between 1605 & 1625. I’ve never read anything that categorically states that it was Luke who was on both those landline calls and what the exact contents of the phone discussions were. The call from Shane to Luke at 1605 is still shrouded in mystery, and none of them have ever confirmed they spoke to each other on that call. It’s just been assumed they spoke to one another.

The alibi in this case, above all else, makes me feel the most
uneasy. Imo, Luke wasn’t there and was very likely en route to meet Jodi between 1634-1640, after the text exchanges indicating Jodi was no longer grounded (could easily have been in easthouses if he left between those times). It’s also very telling that Shane gave no mention of Luke in the house in his very first statement to police (on 03.07.03). He said he couldn’t remember.

While I’ve no doubt that Shane was aggressively interrogated on the 14.04.03 and the police employed tactics to break him, including charging him with perverting the course of Justice, I don’t believe that he couldn’t remember. If you had definitely seen your brother, you would just simply say you did, regardless of the consequences of saying so, especially as it was the one plank of the defence’s case that could’ve seen Luke being free today. The Mitchell household was only a 2-storey detached property — not some mansion. It’s difficult to imagine them not seeing one another that day if they had been in the house together for more than 45 mins and one was allegedly making dinner and playing music whilst doing so. The fact that Shane initially said he couldn’t remember if he had seen Luke (on 03.07.03), then changed it after his mum approached him to remember him about Luke being there (on the 04.07.03), to then renege on that amended statement and revert back to not remembering if he had seen Luke (on 14.04.04), is a concern to me and makes me feel uneasy.

Btw, who was the person on here or on another site to claim they knew SM and that SM had told them, and many others, that he thought Luke was guilty? This person also said they’d be willing to give out Shane’s phone number so that people could phone him personally. It was hard to tell if they were trolling. There was also another post from someone who said that LM’s uncle (his dad’s brother, if memory serves) thinks Luke did it, though it has been suggested that the uncle in question is not mentally stable.

All I know is, Shane didn't see Luke in the house, then, he did then he didn't,.

Offline Rusty

Re: THE ALIBI.
« Reply #205 on: August 11, 2021, 09:38:16 PM »
I've no idea where Shane lives. I've never even seen a photo of him, so he obviously doesn't speak to the press, and they must have some arrangement with him, otherwise someone would have photographed him without his permission, and published it by now.

DO we know for a fact that he doesn't speak to his mother? 

Do you know whether or not he speaks to his father?

You have almost figured it out. Well you are still a long way off, but your getting there.

Also like to point out, anyone can photograph anything from a public place and publish it anywhere. With or without permission.

Offline Mr Apples

Re: THE ALIBI.
« Reply #206 on: August 11, 2021, 09:39:07 PM »
All I know is, Shane didn't see Luke in the house, then, he did then he didn't,.

Basically, yes. If he saw him, why not just say so? After all, it is the one piece of evidence that could’ve gotten his brother free. Shane really got caught out and dropped the ball. Or was he so profoundly affected by Turnbull showing him the graphic pics of Jodi’s mutilated body that he just couldn’t tell lies? But, still, he couldn’t bring himself to say, unequivocally, that his brother wasn’t there (blood being thicker than water, and all). I think, above all, Shane’s testimony was the most detrimental to Luke’s defense.

Offline rulesapply

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« Reply #207 on: August 11, 2021, 09:42:55 PM »
Basically, yes. If he saw him, why not just say so? After all, it is the one piece of evidence that could’ve gotten his brother free. Shane really got caught out and dropped the ball. Or was he so profoundly affected by Turnbull showing him the graphic pics of Jodi’s mutilated body that he just couldn’t tell lies? But, still, he couldn’t bring himself to say, unequivocally, that his brother wasn’t there (blood being thicker than water, and all). I think, above all, Shane’s testimony was the most detrimental to Luke’s defense.

Shane changed his story way before court, Mr.Apples.

Offline Mr Apples

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« Reply #208 on: August 11, 2021, 09:53:03 PM »
Shane changed his story way before court, Mr.Apples.

I know. What about it?

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« Reply #209 on: August 11, 2021, 09:56:48 PM »
You have almost figured it out. Well you are still a long way off, but your getting there.

Also like to point out, anyone can photograph anything from a public place and publish it anywhere. With or without permission.

What do you think I have almost figured out?

Why do you think it is that we have never seen a picture of Shane?