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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #135 on: July 03, 2021, 10:55:33 PM »
It would depend on what evidence he has.... He can predict what others will think depending on the evidencee he has.. So you are speculating.

But unless CB is charged it's safe to assume that there is not enough evidence to convict him.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #136 on: July 03, 2021, 11:02:11 PM »
But unless CB is charged it's safe to assume that there is not enough evidence to convict him.

I dont know if hes guilty... But Wolters may. It is possible to know someone is guilty but not have the evidence  to charge or convict. We need to wait for Wolt to play his hand
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Offline Brietta

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #137 on: July 12, 2021, 05:48:14 PM »
I dont know if hes guilty... But Wolters may. It is possible to know someone is guilty but not have the evidence  to charge or convict. We need to wait for Wolt to play his hand

Sometimes the forum is well ahead of the game in the discussion of Madeleine's case.  Much as we were when the Topic: Search for Madeleine McCann moves to Greece.
 
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8461.msg422586#msg422586 was opened back in September 2017

It lasted for two pages.  There seems to be a lack of interest in expanding any discussion which is not aimed at traducing the McCanns and dumbing down the forum as a result.

Scotland Yard is looking for Madeleine’s secret in Athens
August 28, 2017
Scotland Yard is looking for the secret of British toddler Madeleine McCann in Athens after a witness contacted the team Grange. A Greek newspaper revealed that a German citizen living in Athens contacted  “Team Grange” claiming he had information about the case as he was in nearby area when 3-year-old Madeleine disappeared from a hotel in Algarve Portugal  in 2007.

According to Sunday newspaper To Vima, the 46-year-old German citizen has already spoken with detectives of Scotland Yard’s “Grange”, a team established in 2011 and assigned with the Madeleine’s case.

The meeting between the British detectives and the German took place in Athens a couple of days  ago, the man reportedly gave critical information about the girl’s fate. He has been described as “important and trustworthy witness.”

https://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2017/08/28/madeleine-mccann-greece/
 


Thanks to Valeria we had the news first.

Did we bother to treat it with any sort of analytical intelligence or did we just continue with ensuring the main task of assiduously dumbing down the content of the McCann board and threads with the usual vigour.


Madeleine McCann: Police have been investigating prime suspect in case for four years
4 June 2021
Police have been investigating the prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case for four years, Sky News has learned.

German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters says police have been looking for information on the main suspect, known as Christian B, for a long time and "had already built up a fact file on him before we asked the public to help us".

A year ago the prosecutor and Scotland Yard announced they had a new suspect and made appeals to anyone who knew him, his movements and lifestyle.

They didn't name the suspect, but it quickly emerged he was a 43-year-old German drifter known, under German privacy laws, as Christian B.

Mr Wolters said: "By that time Christian B had been under investigation already for three years. We did not take the decision to go public lightly.

"Since then we have found a lot more pieces of the puzzle, but I cannot reveal what they are. We are making progress and have the same number of investigators working on the case, but we don't yet have enough to charge the suspect."

He added: "There is no time limit to our investigation, but we won't keep it going forever."

The prosecutor has said in the past he was conducting a murder investigation and that he has evidence that Madeleine died in Portugal, though he hasn't explained to her parents Kate and Gerry McCann why he is so sure.

Christian B was living in Portugal in 2007 when three-year-old Madeleine vanished from her bed in her family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on the Algarve coast.

The case against him is circumstantial - he is a convicted paedophile, he lived in the area, on the night she disappeared his mobile phone was in use nearby and the next day he changed the registration of one of his vehicles.

He's also alleged to have confessed that he abducted Madeleine to a criminal associate during a bar conversation.

The associate, who was later arrested in Greece, contacted Scotland Yard and told them of Christian B's alleged confession to him.

Scotland Yard detectives flew to Greece to interview the associate and they later changed the focus of the Madeline investigation.

Christian B is currently serving a seven-year jail sentence in Germany for the rape of an elderly American widow in Portugal in 2005. He denies any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.

His lawyer Friedrich Fulscher said: "My client is innocent in the Madeleine case. The prosecutor keeps saying he is guilty but he hasn't interviewed him and hasn't shown us any of the evidence he says he has."

Mr Wolters is also investigating Christian B over three other allegations in Portugal: two sex assaults and the rape of an Irish holiday resort worker.

Mr Wolters said: "We are speaking with witnesses and interviewing a lot of people. We are making progress."


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/madeleine-mccann-police-investigating-prime-103500696.html
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #138 on: July 16, 2021, 04:10:28 PM »
TVI NEWS: POLICE IDENTIFY GERMAN AS FORMAL SUSPECT IN MADDIE'S ABDUCTION AND DEATH
TVI knows that this is a sexual predator who is currently trapped in his country. He's serving time for another case, rape a woman, but he was on Luz Beach when Maddie disappeared.

2020-06-03 19:16   Henry Machado

The Judicial Police (PJ), London Metropolitan Police and German Police (BKA), who have been secretly articulated in recent years, have reached a formal suspect in the abduction and death of Madeleine McCann, an English child who disappeared in May 2007 on Luz beach, Lagos, when she was just three years old.

Over the past 13 years, this is the first time police have taken formal suspicions about a suspect.

This is a 43-year-old German, tvi knows, a sexual predator who is currently trapped in his country. He's serving time for another case, rape a woman, but he was on Luz Beach when Maddie disappeared. This man will have lived in the Algarve between 1996 and 2007, in an apartment about four kilometres from the beach.

The suspect in question, 43 years old, with a criminal record, resided in Portugal between 1996 and 2007 and is currently serving prison time in Germany, "the judicial police statement reads.

There is evidence gathered in recent months that puts him as the alleged perpetrator of the crimes of abduction and murder of Maddie, a child who was vacationing in the Algarve with his parents and friends. As for the mobile of crime, everything points to motives of a sexual nature.

In close coordination with the German (BKA) and English (Metropolitan Police) authorities, in the sharing of information, in carrying out formal acts of investigation and expertise, in Portugal and abroad, elements were collected indictment of the possible intervention, in the disappearance of the child, of a German citizen",adds the document.

The Metropolitan Police, which is investigating the disappearance in an investigation called Operation Grange, has identified a white Volkswagen-branded caravan van that the suspect, who has not been identified, used for a living and also a Jaguar car to which he would have access.

Police also identified two mobile phone numbers, one used by the suspect and who received a call between 7:32 p.m. and 8:02 p.m. on May 3 in the Praia da Luz area, and another that initiated the call and may be a "highly significant witness".

As far as TVI has learned, the McCann couple have already been informed by the British police of the formal suspicions that fall on this German citizen.


https://tvi24.iol.pt/sociedade/maddie-mccann/noticia-tvi

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The Judicial Police (PJ) reopened the investigation in 2013, after the case was filed by the Attorney General's Office in 2008, exonerating the three defendants, Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, and another Briton, Robert Murat.
https://www.tsf.pt/portugal/sociedade/policia-britanica-identificou-suspeito-alemao-no-desaparecimento-de-madeleine-mccann-12273379.html


Just a point regarding the current investigation and the legal status of arguidos when a case is archived.

I have noted on numerous occasions that when the subject arises or is mentioned in passing, that the Portuguese media have absolutely no difficulty with the fact that Kate and Gerry McCann and Robert Murat are innocent of any crime concerning Madeleine. 
As mentioned above, that is how it is seen in Portugal.  Sceptics appear to have jumped on the wrong bandwagon yet again in their denial of the facts in preference for making up their own.

The original "ilibando" in Portuguese which translates into English as "exonerating" (present participle)
(especially of an official body) absolve (someone) from blame for a fault or wrongdoing, especially after due consideration of the case.
synonyms:
absolve · clear · acquit · declare innocent · find innocent · pronounce not guilty · discharge · vindicate · exculpate

Seems clear enough.
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"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #139 on: July 16, 2021, 05:46:48 PM »
Obviously TSF didn’t get the sceptic memo stating that the McCanns have not been cleared, tsk tsk.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #140 on: July 18, 2021, 06:35:35 PM »
I dont know if hes guilty... But Wolters may. It is possible to know someone is guilty but not have the evidence  to charge or convict. We need to wait for Wolt to play his hand

I'm not an expert in German law but in this country he would be presumed innocent until proven otherwise beyond all reasonable doubt. The proof must be evidential. If Wolters "knows" that CB is guilty he must be basing that knowledge on evidence. So let him put that before a court. What else could he have? A hypothesis? A hunch? How long are you going to wait for?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #141 on: July 18, 2021, 06:44:54 PM »
I'm not an expert in German law but in this country he would be presumed innocent until proven otherwise beyond all reasonable doubt. The proof must be evidential. If Wolters "knows" that CB is guilty he must be basing that knowledge on evidence. So let him put that before a court. What else could he have? A hypothesis? A hunch? How long are you going to wait for?

Ss I have explained its possible to know as a fact someone is guilty but not be able to prove it in court... Do you accept that

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #142 on: July 18, 2021, 07:08:02 PM »
I'm not an expert in German law but in this country he would be presumed innocent until proven otherwise beyond all reasonable doubt. The proof must be evidential. If Wolters "knows" that CB is guilty he must be basing that knowledge on evidence. So let him put that before a court. What else could he have? A hypothesis? A hunch? How long are you going to wait for?
Hopefully he’ll reveal all in his best selling book just as soon as he’s sacked off the case.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline G-Unit

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #143 on: July 18, 2021, 07:59:16 PM »
Ss I have explained its possible to know as a fact someone is guilty but not be able to prove it in court... Do you accept that

In which case a prosecutor can't say publicly that his suspect is guilty. Something to do with the presumption of innocence I believe.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #144 on: July 18, 2021, 08:11:06 PM »
In which case a prosecutor can't say publicly that his suspect is guilty. Something to do with the presumption of innocence I believe.

Prosecutors do say that... It would depend on the evidence

Offline G-Unit

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #145 on: July 18, 2021, 08:43:35 PM »
Prosecutors do say that... It would depend on the evidence

No it doesn't. Assessing evidence and deciding on guilt is up to a jury or to judges, not prosecutors.
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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #146 on: July 18, 2021, 08:44:56 PM »
Ss I have explained its possible to know as a fact someone is guilty but not be able to prove it in court... Do you accept that

How can Wolters "know" something without material evidence?

I think you are conceding there is reasonable doubt? Otherwise if Wolters has the evidence to "know" CB is guilty then that evidence can be presented to court. What I accept is the absolute need for due legal process.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #147 on: July 18, 2021, 08:48:18 PM »
No it doesn't. Assessing evidence and deciding on guilt is up to a jury or to judges, not prosecutors.

Nor retired police officers... What about the Greek police who have declared the husband guilty
« Last Edit: July 18, 2021, 08:53:17 PM by Davel »

Offline Mr Gray

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #148 on: July 18, 2021, 08:50:22 PM »
How can Wolters "know" something without material evidence?

I think you are conceding there is reasonable doubt? Otherwise if Wolters has the evidence to "know" CB is guilty then that evidence can be presented to court. What I accept is the absolute need for due legal process.

I know as a fact someone stole from me... 100 per cent fact... The CPS says not enough evidence... Try thinking more laterally

Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case
« Reply #149 on: July 18, 2021, 08:57:56 PM »
I know as a fact someone stole from me... 100 per cent fact... The CPS says not enough evidence... Try thinking more laterally

Do you mean a specific someone?

How do you know with 100% certainty they stole from you?