More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case

[Vertigo Swirl]

Kate may have been mistaken.

How?  The window was open according to her and this was confirmed by her husband - so was he also mistaken?

[Wonderfulspam]

How?  The window was open according to her and this was confirmed by her husband - so was he also mistaken?

Yes, eye witness testimony is notoriously unreliable.

[G-Unit]

If you say there is no evidence of a break in then obviously you are assuming that Kate McCann is lying.  Now tell me I'm wrong.

Do you recall how Kate McCann described the bedroom curtains in the children's room? They were open, along with a window and the shutters. In her interviews in documentaries however, the curtains are described as closed and she demonstrates how they flew up in the breeze allowing her to notice the open window and shutters.

So which description is correct? Is Kate lying or misremembering?

[sadie]

Do you recall how Kate McCann described the bedroom curtains in the children's room? They were open, along with a window and the shutters. In her interviews in documentaries however, the curtains are described as closed and she demonstrates how they flew up in the breeze allowing her to notice the open window and shutters.

So which description is correct? Is Kate lying or misremembering?

The first appearance upon looking in was that the curtains were normal, but then a gust of wind came and they were open. 

Simples, Gunit

[Vertigo Swirl]

Do you recall how Kate McCann described the bedroom curtains in the children's room? They were open, along with a window and the shutters. In her interviews in documentaries however, the curtains are described as closed and she demonstrates how they flew up in the breeze allowing her to notice the open window and shutters.

So which description is correct? Is Kate lying or misremembering?

Can you at least have the good grace to answer my question first before firing back at me with your own?  thanks awfully.  The issue is - evidence of abduction.  Kate's witness statement is evidence of such - unless you assume she is making the whole thing up, which is what I said in the first place, and which you decided to contradict.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Yes, eye witness testimony is notoriously unreliable.

Indeed it is - it is still evidence however, no matter what you say.   In the same way that Smith's statement is evidence that Gerry McCann paraded a corpse through PdL that night.  You have decided he is 100% accurate and that Kate is 100% lying - that is a choice you have made but your opinion doesn't necessarily bear any relation to the actual truth of the matter.

[jassi]

Kate may have been mistaken.

Of course she might. She was, after all, traumatised and may not have been thinking straight.

[G-Unit]

The first appearance upon looking in was that the curtains were normal, but then a gust of wind came and they were open. 

Simples, Gunit

I think they are your words, not the words of the witness. Therefore they are describing your assumptions.

[jassi]

I see that with the appearance of two Russian 'suspects', Brueckner may well be on the way to becoming a sub-prime suspect.

[Wonderfulspam]

Indeed it is - it is still evidence however, no matter what you say.   In the same way that Smith's statement is evidence that Gerry McCann paraded a corpse through PdL that night.  You have decided he is 100% accurate and that Kate is 100% lying - that is a choice you have made but your opinion doesn't necessarily bear any relation to the actual truth of the matter.

Who said anything about parading a corpse?

As I recall Smithman was alone with child walking down a quiet back street & appeared not to want to communicate with the Smith family.

A parade is a procession of people, there weren't twenty odd baton twirling Smithmen & a marching band.

It's almost as if your statement doesn't bear any relation to the truth.

[Wonderfulspam]

I see that with the appearance of two Russian 'suspects', Brueckner may well be on the way to becoming a sub-prime suspect.

I think it's only some ex dectective TV sleuth who believes Putin dunnit.

Obviously, he hasn't seen Wolters concrete evidence, the photos of Maddie & the evidence Brueckner was in 5a.

[jassi]

I think it's only some ex dectective TV sleuth who believes Putin dunnit.

Obviously, he hasn't seen Wolters concrete evidence, the photos of Maddie & the evidence Brueckner was in 5a.

Has anyone ?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Who said anything about parading a corpse?

As I recall Smithman was alone with child walking down a quiet back street & appeared not to want to communicate with the Smith family.

A parade is a procession of people, there weren't twenty odd baton twirling Smithmen & a marching band.

It's almost as if your statement doesn't bear any relation to the truth.

If it was an attempt to dispose of a corpse it was pretty damned brazen - uncovered, through the streets of a holiday town before closing time, then the same guy goes on international telly appealing for witnesses and info on said corpse's removal.  Anyway, nicely deflecting from my point I see - good effort.

[Wonderfulspam]

If it was an attempt to dispose of a corpse it was pretty damned brazen - uncovered, through the streets of a holiday town before closing time.  Anyway, nicely deflecting from my point I see - good effort.

Not really.

It was early season, late, dark, there was a hurricane blowing so people would be indoors & he was only seen by one family.

 

[sadie]

I think they are your words, not the words of the witness. Therefore they are describing your assumptions.

Come on Gunit.  Admit it.

I am not rereading all the statements but various videos have shown what happened and you WILL have seen them.



Common sense also tells you what happened.  Such cheap flimsy curtains would blow in a gust and it was a gusty evening. 

It does pose the question though.  What other windows/patio doors were open on the poolside, or mayb the eastern side of the apartment?  I think there must have been a gap somewhere for a draft lifting the curtains such as Kate described