More recent events related to Madeleine McCann's case

[Vertigo Swirl]

Torygraph journo or blogger it's still a fair point.

I think it demonstrates a lack of imagination personally.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

I think it demonstrates a lack of imagination personally.

Well yes. It's a factual comment rather than an imaginary scenario.... like jemmied shutters, for example.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Well yes. It's a factual comment rather than an imaginary scenario.... like jemmied shutters, for example.

No, it’s an opinion piece written by someone who has never tried removing a child via a that apartment window.

[misty]

Writing letters to the German press seems to be a growing trend amongst German convicts...

https://www.bild.de/regional/bremen/bremen-aktuell/frankreich-hat-maskenmann-martin-ney-einen-weiteren-jungen-getoetet-77442942.bild.html

"Masked man" writes a lamentable letter about his fellow inmate

08/20/2021 - 7:26 pm
Bremen / Nantes - Is "mask man" Martin Ney (50) also responsible for the death of a boy in France? Now Ney rejects the suspicion of murder in the Jonathan case in a letter to the news magazine "Spiegel". It is the first time that the serial offender expresses himself publicly.

In the letter to the “Spiegel”, the 50-year-old describes his former inmate Mario T., on whose testimony the suspicion of murder against Ney is based, as a traumatized person and asks whether his “entire testimony is completely pathological”. He had "a certain understanding that one should include him as a" suspect in the investigation "due to the undoubtedly existing similarities in the commission of the crime. However, he is innocent.
The child murderer, who killed three boys between 1992 and 2001 and was extradited to France, is strongly suspected of having killed eleven-year-old Jonathan Coulom around 17 years ago. The Nantes public prosecutor is investigating this suspicion of murder against Ney, who was serving his sentence in the Celle prison until his extradition in January.
Martin Ney is said to have kidnapped the student on the night of April 7, 2004 from a school camp in the coastal town of Saint-Brevin-les-Pins (Loire-Atlantique) in the Cher region.

A month later, the fifth grader was discovered in the north-western municipality of Guérande, 30 kilometers away: his naked body, weighted down with stones, was lying in a pond.
The Stade district court had the "mask man" who, after his arrest in 2011, confessed to the murder of Dennis Klein (�  9), Dennis Rostel (�  8) and Stefan Jahr (�  13) and the sexual abuse of 40 other minors, for a lifetime Sentenced to imprisonment. With a dark outfit and a balaclava, Ney had appeared in country homes and tent camps, among others.

According to the European arrest warrant with which the French judiciary obtained Ney's extradition, the suspicion of murder is also based on incriminating statements by Ney's former inmate in Celle, Mario T., who had claimed in several testimony in 2017 that Ney had confessed to him in five other unsolved murders of minors, including an act in France.

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I'm pretty convinced BKA are waiting for Ney to be returned to Germany, after his trial in France, before they question Brueckner.

[Brietta]

Yes, and Brückner’s friends call him ‘the climber’.

I'm sure he would have needed climbing skills for ingress and egress via the widow which was later covered by a metal grill.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Which laws of physics does it defy?

On the MS podcast series there’s an experienced, now retired, former UK detective who explains it based on the height of the window and it’s width plus factor in carrying a sleeping (or waking) 3 year old! IMO it didn’t happen!

Put it this way:  if the rest of the apartment was on fire and you had to remove an unconscious or sleeping child from the bedroom but the only way in or out was via the window, would the child simply have to burn to death because of the height and width factor of the window?

[Brietta]

On the MS podcast series there’s an experienced, now retired, former UK detective who explains it based on the height of the window and it’s width plus factor in carrying a sleeping (or waking) 3 year old! IMO it didn’t happen!
Put it this way:  if the rest of the apartment was on fire and you had to remove an unconscious or sleeping child from the bedroom but the only way in or out was via the window, would the child simply have to burn to death because of the height and width factor of the window?

There are loads of reports of children being thrown out of windows of burning buildings.

Mother throws children to safety from burning building in Istanbul

Children unhurt after falling from third floor, and woman later discharged from hospital

It certainly can be done.
As an aside, the aperture from which these children were thrown looks only slightly wider than the 5A window when opened.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

Well of course Madeleine could have been thrown out of the window before the abductor climbed out without leaving a trace of such an act!! I wonder why they didn't just use the unlocked door though?!!! I'd also suspect a sleeping child being thrown from a metre height would (a) wake up (b) suffer traumatic injuries and (c) leave some forensic evidence.

[Brietta]

Well of course Madeleine could have been thrown out of the window before the abductor climbed out without leaving a trace of such an act!! I wonder why they didn't just use the unlocked door though?!!! I'd also suspect a sleeping child being thrown from a metre height would (a) wake up (b) suffer traumatic injuries and (c) leave some forensic evidence.

Please don't be so silly.

The debating point was made that in a desperate situation people can be forced into doing desperate things.

Absolutely no-one suggested that anyone threw Madeleine out of the window.  It has been suggested that she may have been passed through the window to an accomplice waiting outside, indeed it was one of the scenarios looked at when Rebelo took over the investigation.

The truth is no-one knows knows how Madeleine left the apartment and no-one knows why the window was open and the shutter raised.

I cannot quite take in the obduracy with which you post about matters long gone past which mean nothing in relation to the present investigation and where we are today.

The investigation never stalled in the time warp of 2007 it moved on.  It did so unaware of the information available to the Portuguese in 2007 which they never used.  It took on a head of steam when publicity stemming from Madeleine's parents caused Brueckner to drop his guard and raise suspicions which were reported to the German police. And this is where we are at today.

Nobody is listening to sceptics and their libellous conspiracy theories - they are far more interested in where Brueckner was in 2007 and in what he was doing.
In fourteen years scepticism has moved nothing forward, the answer is in the here and now.  I wish the present investigators well in their attempts to find out what happened to Madeleine.  Maybe you should be thinking about why sceptics hate the very thought of that with every fibre of their being because if ever there was a mystery, that is it.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Well of course Madeleine could have been thrown out of the window before the abductor climbed out without leaving a trace of such an act!! I wonder why they didn't just use the unlocked door though?!!! I'd also suspect a sleeping child being thrown from a metre height would (a) wake up (b) suffer traumatic injuries and (c) leave some forensic evidence.

She wouldn’t have to have been thrown.  Placed gently would do it. Onto the ground outside or into the arms of an accomplice.   And yes she might have awakened but she might also have been sleepy, confused, questioing rather than screaming her head off immediately.  She might have stayed asleep. She may have been reassured or been gagged.  She may have whimpered or even yelled unheard as she was taken away.  All possibilities, none can be ruled out and imo no one can say definitively that the window was an impossible route into or out of the apartment for a potential abductor.

[Lace]

The burglar wasn't carrying a child that was nearly four years old.

I know that.  I was pointing out that a man could get through the window.

[misty]

Someone is getting agitated...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15940617/ex-madeleine-mccann-cop-blames-parents/
Katie Davis
11:25, 23 Aug 2021Updated: 11:54, 23 Aug 2021
THE ex-cop who led the Madeleine McCann investigation before being fired has blamed her parents for her disappearance as he claimed suspect Christian B is innocent.

Shameless Goncalo Amaral has repeatedly made unfounded allegations that Gerry and Kate McCann killed their daughter - and has now insisted he believes the kidnapping was "only simulated".
The retired detective led the initial hunt when three-year-old Madeleine went missing from the Ocean Club holiday complex in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on May 3, 2007, and made her devastated parents official suspects.

He was removed as head of the investigation after criticising British detectives and claiming they were only following leads the McCanns asked them to pursue.

Amaral has remained outspoken on the case, and has now claimed prime suspect Christian B had "nothing to do with Maddie's disappearance" in an interview with BILD for the documentary, The Maddie McCann Case.

"It wouldn't be the first time a case has been solved by constructing a suspect," he told the outlet.


"The main culprits for the disappearance are those who had custody: the parents.

"The German public prosecutor shouldn't keep saying that he has something against (Christian B) in his hand.

"Then accuse him! Take him to court! And explain to me how someone broke into the apartment without leaving fingerprints or gloves!"

Amaral has also wildly claimed he believes the crime scene was faked.

"To this day I have no doubt that a kidnapping was only simulated," he told BILD.

"The signs of this: a window that no one could tell for sure whether it was open or closed. We were told that the alleged kidnapper climbed in and out of there.

"There were fingerprints of the mother showing that she opened the window. They were the only ones that were found."

But prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has dismissed Amaral's claims, branding them "completely irrelevant".

"We are not interested in the opinion of a Portuguese ex-police officer," he said.

"We assume that he does not have our files.

"Therefore, his conclusions are completely irrelevant."

LEGAL BATTLE
Amaral previously released a book three days after the case was closed in 2008 called The Truth Of The Lie in which he cruelly alleged the McCanns faked Maddie's abduction to cover their tracks after she had been accidentally killed.

And he later took part in a documentary for Portuguese television in which he claimed that Madeleine was dead, there had been no abduction and the McCanns had hidden her body.

Gerry and Kate launched a legal battle against the ex-cop for his slurs in book after losing a case on appeal.

They lodged a fresh case at the European Court of Human Rights in 2017.

It comes after shocking photos revealed the “secret cellar lair” suspect Christian B dug underneath his German home.

Cops swooped on the rundown house in central Germany where the convicted paedophile had lived after the current tenant raised the alarm.

Christian B had lived at the home on the outskirts of Braunschweig when he ran a kiosk in the city between 2013 and 2016.

We are not interested in the opinion of a Portuguese ex-police officer. His conclusions are completely irrelevant.

Hans Christian Wolters
While living there he is said to have illegally dug a 10ft deep pit.

It was reported last year a pal of Christian B’s had claimed he wanted to build a dungeon, complete with soundproof walls, “like the guy in Austria,” in a disturbing reference to the evil Josef Fritzl.

There is no evidence though that he actually followed through with the idea.

German officials are continuing to compile evidence against Christian B, who became the prime suspect in Madeleine's disappearance in June 2020.

They believe the toddler was murdered.

Christian B branded the investigation against him as “scandalous” in a letter penned from his cell in May.

In the letter he claimed the public prosecutor had “brought shame to the legal system”.

He has constantly refused to speak to the cops or investigators about Maddie’s disappearance.


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The original interview with Bild is behind a paywall.
https://www.bild.de/bild-plus/news/ausland/news-ausland/vorwuerfe-vom-ex-kripochef-maddies-entfuehrung-wurde-simuliert-77460112,view=conversionToLogin.bild.html#remId=1684228635530202683%3FjsRedirec

[Vertigo Swirl]

But prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has dismissed Amaral's claims, branding them "completely irrelevant".

"We are not interested in the opinion of a Portuguese ex-police officer," he said.

"We assume that he does not have our files.

"Therefore, his conclusions are completely irrelevant.

 

[jassi]

Someone is getting agitated...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15940617/ex-madeleine-mccann-cop-blames-parents/
Katie Davis
11:25, 23 Aug 2021Updated: 11:54, 23 Aug 2021
THE ex-cop who led the Madeleine McCann investigation before being fired has blamed her parents for her disappearance as he claimed suspect Christian B is innocent.

Shameless Goncalo Amaral has repeatedly made unfounded allegations that Gerry and Kate McCann killed their daughter - and has now insisted he believes the kidnapping was "only simulated".
The retired detective led the initial hunt when three-year-old Madeleine went missing from the Ocean Club holiday complex in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on May 3, 2007, and made her devastated parents official suspects.

He was removed as head of the investigation after criticising British detectives and claiming they were only following leads the McCanns asked them to pursue.

Amaral has remained outspoken on the case, and has now claimed prime suspect Christian B had "nothing to do with Maddie's disappearance" in an interview with BILD for the documentary, The Maddie McCann Case.

"It wouldn't be the first time a case has been solved by constructing a suspect," he told the outlet.


"The main culprits for the disappearance are those who had custody: the parents.

"The German public prosecutor shouldn't keep saying that he has something against (Christian B) in his hand.

"Then accuse him! Take him to court! And explain to me how someone broke into the apartment without leaving fingerprints or gloves!"

Amaral has also wildly claimed he believes the crime scene was faked.

"To this day I have no doubt that a kidnapping was only simulated," he told BILD.

"The signs of this: a window that no one could tell for sure whether it was open or closed. We were told that the alleged kidnapper climbed in and out of there.

"There were fingerprints of the mother showing that she opened the window. They were the only ones that were found."

But prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters has dismissed Amaral's claims, branding them "completely irrelevant".

"We are not interested in the opinion of a Portuguese ex-police officer," he said.

"We assume that he does not have our files.

"Therefore, his conclusions are completely irrelevant."

LEGAL BATTLE
Amaral previously released a book three days after the case was closed in 2008 called The Truth Of The Lie in which he cruelly alleged the McCanns faked Maddie's abduction to cover their tracks after she had been accidentally killed.

And he later took part in a documentary for Portuguese television in which he claimed that Madeleine was dead, there had been no abduction and the McCanns had hidden her body.

Gerry and Kate launched a legal battle against the ex-cop for his slurs in book after losing a case on appeal.

They lodged a fresh case at the European Court of Human Rights in 2017.

It comes after shocking photos revealed the “secret cellar lair” suspect Christian B dug underneath his German home.

Cops swooped on the rundown house in central Germany where the convicted paedophile had lived after the current tenant raised the alarm.

Christian B had lived at the home on the outskirts of Braunschweig when he ran a kiosk in the city between 2013 and 2016.

We are not interested in the opinion of a Portuguese ex-police officer. His conclusions are completely irrelevant.

Hans Christian Wolters
While living there he is said to have illegally dug a 10ft deep pit.

It was reported last year a pal of Christian B’s had claimed he wanted to build a dungeon, complete with soundproof walls, “like the guy in Austria,” in a disturbing reference to the evil Josef Fritzl.

There is no evidence though that he actually followed through with the idea.

German officials are continuing to compile evidence against Christian B, who became the prime suspect in Madeleine's disappearance in June 2020.

They believe the toddler was murdered.

Christian B branded the investigation against him as “scandalous” in a letter penned from his cell in May.

In the letter he claimed the public prosecutor had “brought shame to the legal system”.

He has constantly refused to speak to the cops or investigators about Maddie’s disappearance.


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The original interview with Bild is behind a paywall.
https://www.bild.de/bild-plus/news/ausland/news-ausland/vorwuerfe-vom-ex-kripochef-maddies-entfuehrung-wurde-simuliert-77460112,view=conversionToLogin.bild.html#remId=1684228635530202683%3FjsRedirec

Media should really know better by now that the ECHR case is against Portugal.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

She wouldn’t have to have been thrown.  Placed gently would do it. Onto the ground outside or into the arms of an accomplice.   And yes she might have awakened but she might also have been sleepy, confused, questioing rather than screaming her head off immediately.  She might have stayed asleep. She may have been reassured or been gagged.  She may have whimpered or even yelled unheard as she was taken away.  All possibilities, none can be ruled out and imo no one can say definitively that the window was an impossible route into or out of the apartment for a potential abductor.

I would accept possible with an accomplice but not placing her down outside from the inside by one person. Well technically it’s possible but highly unlikely imo and furthermore there was no evidence to support this scenario.

Why incidentally do you believe talk of jemmied shutters were reported by friends and family of Madeleine?