What constitutes child neglect?

[Angelo222]

Can we have a look at what constitutes child neglect or abandonment since some members appear to believe the McCanns were guilty of the latter.

[C.Edwards]

The McCanns left the children alone night after night. That's abandoning them right there. Look up the definition.

Then read this: https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/factsheets/homealone.cfm

[stephen25000]

This really infuriates me.  How many times have we seen pathetic people crying on TV after being caught out posting abuse on the internet?  The most recent example being some so called youth police commissioner.  What a stupid and immature specimen!   

Does it infuriate you the way the Portuguese were portrayed in the UK press ?

Or is that excusable, merely because they were 'Sardine munchers'  , that from the mirror  ( ref:  Tony Parsons )  ?

You have to admit that they weren't very good.

Yes the mirror headlines, the sun, etc., were appalling.

And we all know where they got their headlines from.

The  supporters of the Mccanns.

[Eleanor]

This really infuriates me.  How many times have we seen pathetic people crying on TV after being caught out posting abuse on the internet?  The most recent example being some so called youth police commissioner.  What a stupid and immature specimen!   

Does it infuriate you the way the Portuguese were portrayed in the UK press ?

Or is that excusable, merely because they were 'Sardine munchers'  , that from the mirror  ( ref:  Tony Parsons )  ?

You have to admit that they weren't very good.

Yes the mirror headlines, the sun, etc., were appalling.

And we all know where they got their headlines from.

The  supporters of the Mccanns.

You know which headlines I am talking about.  You know.  When you all thought The Press was wonderful.

[debunker]

C Edwards.  Please stop posting untruths.  The McCanns did NOT abandon their children.  I have deleted your malicious posts.

Ah, now we're into mod censorship of posts that don't agree with their point of view!  Debunker!

They McCanns left the children alone night after night. That's abandoning them right there. Look up the definition.

Then read this: https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/factsheets/homealone.cfm

That is a US site and does not mention abandoning which implies long term or permanent.

THe McCanns were considered by two jurisdictikns to have not broken any child protection laws.

NO one in their situation  has ever been successfully prosecuted for neglect in the UK.

[John]

C Edwards.  Please stop posting untruths.  The McCanns did NOT abandon their children.  I have deleted your malicious posts.

Ah, now we're into mod censorship of posts that don't agree with their point of view!  Debunker!

They McCanns left the children alone night after night. That's abandoning them right there. Look up the definition.

Then read this: https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/factsheets/homealone.cfm

I don't know which dictionary you use C. Edwards but Ox dict defines the word abandon as to leave somebody, especially somebody you are responsible for, with no intention of returning.

Care to explain the relevance to the McCanns ?


Ps If Censorship requires the removal of erroneous/disingenuous material so be it!

[gilet]

@ John

It's interesting that your resistance to the McCann propaganda lasted no longer than it took for them to withdraw their attack dogs.

It is very, very revealing that your resistance to the truth is evident in your posting.

You seem to have missed the fact that what C.Edwards posted was completely untrue and backed up by no relevant links while what John posted was completely true and backed up by a very relevant link.

Can you explain why you attack the poster of the truth and ignore the poster of the untruths?

[icabodcrane]

Debunker

Why do you insist on bringing material you find offensive  from other forums to this one  ?

What purpose does that serve except to infect this forum with the  'us and them'  gang mentality

[debunker]

Debunker

Why do you insist on bringing material you find offensive  from other forums to this one  ?

What purpose does that serve except to infect this forum with the  'us and them'  gang mentality

It is a reminder of why I am harder on pros than [ censored word]. Both groups are making silly claims above their knowledge and ability; only one side is [ censored word ] a private family.

[sika]

Why is it "disgusting"?  It's crass, but as there are already photoshops and attempted "humour" surrounding the poor Philpot children doing the rounds, this is hardly cutting edge satire now.

Of course if one were to peruse the pages of a pro forum, one would see no such photoshops regarding Tony Bennett and Amaral, would one?  Stop being so precious about something that is of little consequence.  It's schoolboy/student humour at worst and isn't going to make someone suddenly go, "oh my god, they're right, the McCanns killed her!" is it?

Besides, anyone leaving their children alone in a foreign country night after night certainly fits into the pigeonhole of a bad parent to me.

Oh dear!

[Eleanor]

Debunker

Why do you insist on bringing material you find offensive  from other forums to this one  ?

What purpose does that serve except to infect this forum with the  'us and them'  gang mentality

It is a reminder of why I am harder on pros than [ censored word]. Both groups are making silly claims above their knowledge and ability; only one side is [ censored word ] a private family.

Why are you harder on Pros than [ censored word]?  Or did you mean the other way round?

No, he meant it.  He just expects better from us.  I understand perfectly what he is talking about, but I am governed somewhat by emotion, which he never is.  Except when it comes to his children, that is.

[Daisydoo]

Imagine you've hired a babysitter and gone out for the evening. Your babysitter goes out just for half an hour. Your child is abducted while she is gone.

Who would you blame?
Would you be sympathetic with your babysitter?

Imagine that situation and then tell me the McCanns behaved responsibly

[Eleanor]

Imagine you've hired a babysitter and gone out for the evening. Your babysitter goes out just for half an hour. Your child is abducted while she is gone.

Who would you blame?
Would you be sympathetic with your babysitter?

Imagine that situation and then tell me the McCanns behaved responsibly

Irrelevant.  The McCanns weren't paying a baby sitter.

[stephen25000]

Imagine you've hired a babysitter and gone out for the evening. Your babysitter goes out just for half an hour. Your child is abducted while she is gone.

Who would you blame?
Would you be sympathetic with your babysitter?

Imagine that situation and then tell me the McCanns behaved responsibly

Irrelevant.  The McCanns weren't paying a baby sitter.

That Eleanor was just one of their failings.

[debunker]

Incidentally Deb I seem to recall you making the case that the McCanns WERE guilty of abandonment on Myths in your view, or have I misremembered?

NEver said that. I said there was no doubt they were left alone in an ill advised manner by time and distance, but that no crim O'Neal or otherwise actionable neglect occurred.

I decry their child care but defend their right under the law to do child care in a different manner than I did.

I was extremely interventionist when my kids were young but am much more liberal and risk taking now they are older.