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[Eleanor]

Of course it is. Would you argue the same if the decision had gone the other way ?

There is an odd number so that there is always a majority.

Not if they were all in agreement.  But they weren't.  And they must all have seen the same evidence.

This was the liberty of another human person who was sent to prison for sixteen years.  Don't you think she was entitled to a Unanimous Verdict?

[Wonderfulspam]

You could say that, but then you would.  Two out of three is hardly definitive.  It's a disgrace actually.

Yeah, I would say it because I'm being rational.

[Wonderfulspam]

Not if they were all in agreement.  But they weren't.  And they must all have seen the same evidence.

This was the liberty of another human person who was sent to prison for sixteen years. Don't you think she was entitled to a Unanimous Verdict?

You're right.

That one judge was wrong to find them not guilty.

[Eleanor]

Yeah, I would say it because I'm being rational.

Well, there's funny.  You can be a laugh now and again.

[Eleanor]

You're right.

That one judge was wrong to find them not guilty.

Another attack on personal opinions.

[Wonderfulspam]

Another attack on personal opinions.

It's not my fault your opinions are worthy of ridicule.

That's your own problem.

[Brietta]

You could say that, but then you would.  Two out of three is hardly definitive.  It's a disgrace actually.

You could also say this is a "Justice" forum where we highlight cases of actual and probable miscarriages of Justice.

The proven torture to which Leonor Cipriano was subjected under interrogation and for which she was further punished with an addition to her sentence is an illustration of an Alice in Wonderland justice system.

Posters who condone first of all the torture then approve the judicial punishment meted out to the torture victim when she proved she had been systematically beaten into confession are probably posting on the wrong forum.

[jassi]

Not if they were all in agreement.  But they weren't.  And they must all have seen the same evidence.

This was the liberty of another human person who was sent to prison for sixteen years.  Don't you think she was entitled to a Unanimous Verdict?

No I don't. Even in UK judges accept majority verdicts from juries.

You dodged the question - would you have been happy with 2 out of 3 in favour of acquittal  and if so why ?

[Wonderfulspam]

You could also say this is a "Justice" forum where we highlight cases of actual and probable miscarriages of Justice.

The proven torture to which Leonor Cipriano was subjected under interrogation and for which she was further punished with an addition to her sentence is an illustration of an Alice in Wonderland justice system.

Posters who condone first of all the torture then approve the judicial punishment meted out to the torture victim when she proved she had been systematically beaten into confession are probably posting on the wrong forum.

You might think that, but when we're talking about a woman very obviously involved in the murder of her daughter, personally I have no problem with the police beating the shit out of her.

[Vertigo Swirl]

No I don't. Even in UK judges accept majority verdicts from juries.

You dodged the question - would you have been happy with 2 out of 3 in favour of acquittal  and if so why ?

Yes, better a guilty person go free than an innocent person be incarcerated, that's why.  2 out of 3 indicates there was judicial doubt wrt to her guilt.  Where there is doubt then a finding of not guilty or not proven should be given. 

[Wonderfulspam]

Yes, better a guilty person go free than an innocent person be incarcerated, that's why.  2 out of 3 indicates there was judicial doubt wrt to her guilt.  Where there is doubt then a finding of not guilty should be given.

Who are you to dictate the workings of the Portuguese Judicial system?

Arrogant much?

It's up to the Portuguese how they run things in their country.

Don't like it, then don't go there.

[jassi]

Who are you to dictate the workings of the Portuguese Judicial system?

Arrogant much?

It's up to the Portuguese how they run things in their country.

Don't like it, then don't go there.

Indeed, you can't argue with at - though I've no doubt some will   

[Eleanor]

No I don't. Even in UK judges accept majority verdicts from juries.

You dodged the question - would you have been happy with 2 out of 3 in favour of acquittal  and if so why ?

British Juries do not go by Two to One percentages.  That would result in a mistrial.

I wasn't happy with a Trial in the first place since the confession was beaten out of Leonor and the confession was then admitted to Trial when it should not have been, By Portuguese Law.

My opinion of The Old School Judges is probably best kept to myself.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Indeed, you can't argue with at - though I've no doubt some will   

never argue with a troll 

[Eleanor]

Yes, better a guilty person go free than an innocent person be incarcerated, that's why.  2 out of 3 indicates there was judicial doubt wrt to her guilt.  Where there is doubt then a finding of not guilty or not proven should be given.

Under British Law Two out of Three would result in a MisTrial.  But then this wasn't British Law.  Although The Judge in question was quite definite about his findings.  Enough to demand that it be put on record.