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Offline G-Unit

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #120 on: September 18, 2021, 12:13:46 PM »
I don't think The German Police need to do anything much at the moment.  They have got a while or two.

But what is killing me, in a laughable sense, is that never in all of my born days have I seen such an "about face" when it comes to Innocent until Proven Guilty.

Are none of you even remotely ashamed of what you have been doing for the last Fourteen Years?

The discussion is about evidence, not about the presumption of innocence.

What I see is some people who seem convinced that the Germans have found the murderer of Madeleine McCann without having any idea what evidence there is to support that claim. At least those people who have doubts about the McCanns know why the PJ suspected them. 
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Offline Brietta

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #121 on: September 18, 2021, 12:16:43 PM »
They could well have enough to charge and prosecute him

I think they probably do but I think it possible there may be other cases which might be prejudiced if they do.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #122 on: September 18, 2021, 12:23:40 PM »
The discussion is about evidence, not about the presumption of innocence.

What I see is some people who seem convinced that the Germans have found the murderer of Madeleine McCann without having any idea what evidence there is to support that claim. At least those people who have doubts about the McCanns know why the PJ suspected them.

Are you one of "those people" who have doubt about the McCanns
I think you are.

I'm one of "those people" who know that the PJ suspicions of them were based on inept investigation and total misinterpretation of the evidence.

What's your excuse.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #123 on: September 18, 2021, 12:24:43 PM »
The discussion is about evidence, not about the presumption of innocence.

What I see is some people who seem convinced that the Germans have found the murderer of Madeleine McCann without having any idea what evidence there is to support that claim. At least those people who have doubts about the McCanns know why the PJ suspected them.

According to the PJ the main evidence against the McCanns was the dog alerts..as Ive said they did not understand the evidence... I don't see the Germans being so stupid

Offline Brietta

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #124 on: September 18, 2021, 12:59:59 PM »
I don't think The German Police need to do anything much at the moment.  They have got a while or two.

But what is killing me, in a laughable sense, is that never in all of my born days have I seen such an "about face" when it comes to Innocent until Proven Guilty.

Are none of you even remotely ashamed of what you have been doing for the last Fourteen Years?

Thinking about it rationally, I don't think it is possible to do what has been done to the McCanns while defending Brueckner's right to the presumption of innocence with vigour, without indulging some rather skewed thought processes.

I doubt there was a more inept police investigation ever than the initial one the Portuguese police carried out back in 2007 which succeeded in nothing but generating the present rumour mill.
I don't expect the present German investigation to leave that sort of negative legacy and I don't think it will.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #125 on: September 18, 2021, 01:20:49 PM »
Are you one of "those people" who have doubt about the McCanns
I think you are.

I'm one of "those people" who know that the PJ suspicions of them were based on inept investigation and total misinterpretation of the evidence.

What's your excuse.

I think I've made it clear that I have doubts about the McCanns, although I would never be arrogant enough to claim smugly that I know what happened to Madeleine. Any investigation can be criticised no matter where it takes place and by whom. In my opinion those who dismiss the first investigation completely don't know as much as they think they do.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #126 on: September 18, 2021, 01:25:07 PM »
According to the PJ the main evidence against the McCanns was the dog alerts..as Ive said they did not understand the evidence... I don't see the Germans being so stupid

I do so admire your restraint.  Me?  I get a bit cross sometimes.  But it doesn't actually help.

Offline Eleanor

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #127 on: September 18, 2021, 01:31:16 PM »
Thinking about it rationally, I don't think it is possible to do what has been done to the McCanns while defending Brueckner's right to the presumption of innocence with vigour, without indulging some rather skewed thought processes.

I doubt there was a more inept police investigation ever than the initial one the Portuguese police carried out back in 2007 which succeeded in nothing but generating the present rumour mill.
I don't expect the present German investigation to leave that sort of negative legacy and I don't think it will.

I think that it might be a bit more serious than you say.  But since The McCanns are never going to be indicted then it probably no longer matters.

Offline Brietta

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #128 on: September 18, 2021, 01:46:49 PM »
I think I've made it clear that I have doubts about the McCanns, although I would never be arrogant enough to claim smugly that I know what happened to Madeleine. Any investigation can be criticised no matter where it takes place and by whom. In my opinion those who dismiss the first investigation completely don't know as much as they think they do.

I don't know what happened to Madeleine McCann.  But unlike you and others, I don't see that as carte blanche for mouthing off "my doubts" for over fourteen years.

Something other than "doubts" must drive that and I am interested in what that may be ~ but I sure don't expect any enlightenment to that.

  ... and as far as the botched first investigation goes ~ I think you have hammered home the nail in that   I certainly don't know much about what actually went on.
I think it is an absolute sure certainty that I would be even more appalled by the conduct of affairs did I know even one iota of what went on in the underbelly of the PJ populated by the leaders of the investigation some of whom ended their PJ careers as convicted criminals themselves.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Eleanor

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #129 on: September 18, 2021, 02:09:08 PM »
I don't know what happened to Madeleine McCann.  But unlike you and others, I don't see that as carte blanche for mouthing off "my doubts" for over fourteen years.

Something other than "doubts" must drive that and I am interested in what that may be ~ but I sure don't expect any enlightenment to that.

  ... and as far as the botched first investigation goes ~ I think you have hammered home the nail in that   I certainly don't know much about what actually went on.
I think it is an absolute sure certainty that I would be even more appalled by the conduct of affairs did I know even one iota of what went on in the underbelly of the PJ populated by the leaders of the investigation some of whom ended their PJ careers as convicted criminals themselves.

That is the most interesting thing.  So many of The PJ were and now are Criminals themselves.  This has got to be a joke.  The Police Force of an entire Nation?

Who were these people who convicted at least two people on confessions acquired by beatings?

Fortunately Kate McCann was never physically beaten, but then that is why The British Ambassador was there so quickly.

And I hope that Britain is mortally ashamed of what happened. to Michael Cooke.

Offline G-Unit

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #130 on: September 18, 2021, 02:20:57 PM »
I don't know what happened to Madeleine McCann.  But unlike you and others, I don't see that as carte blanche for mouthing off "my doubts" for over fourteen years.

Something other than "doubts" must drive that and I am interested in what that may be ~ but I sure don't expect any enlightenment to that.

  ... and as far as the botched first investigation goes ~ I think you have hammered home the nail in that   I certainly don't know much about what actually went on.
I think it is an absolute sure certainty that I would be even more appalled by the conduct of affairs did I know even one iota of what went on in the underbelly of the PJ populated by the leaders of the investigation some of whom ended their PJ careers as convicted criminals themselves.

It may have escaped your notice, but there has been a concerted effort to prevent any discussion of the McCann case which didn't uphold the story they told. A wide range of people were threatened in various ways in an attempt to prevent certain facts and opinions being expressed. No stone was left unturned; from dossiers gathered about ordinary people to high profile libel actions against media outlets.

In my opinion those efforts ensured that people found ways of expressing their opinions nevertheless. Why? Perhaps because people suspected that the adage 'no smoke without fire' had some truth in it. The unremitting determination to silence questioners simply reinforced their conviction that speaking out was necessary imo.

The PJ may have made mistakes, and their efforts may have been hampered, but they still trod their own path. Imo attempts were made to persuade them, like Operation Grange, to investigate only abduction by a stranger, but they didn't comply.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #131 on: September 18, 2021, 02:32:21 PM »
That is the most interesting thing.  So many of The PJ were and now are Criminals themselves.  This has got to be a joke.  The Police Force of an entire Nation?

Who were these people who convicted at least two people on confessions acquired by beatings?

Fortunately Kate McCann was never physically beaten, but then that is why The British Ambassador was there so quickly.

And I hope that Britain is mortally ashamed of what happened. to Michael Cooke.

I think you need to acknowledge that other police forces do things differently. The German police resemble the PJ much more than they resemble the British police, as do the French police. Did you see how a German policeman put his gun to the head of a suspect to persuade him to do as they wanted him to do? They're quite happy to obtain confessions by suspect means also.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #132 on: September 18, 2021, 02:46:03 PM »
It may have escaped your notice, but there has been a concerted effort to prevent any discussion of the McCann case which didn't uphold the story they told. A wide range of people were threatened in various ways in an attempt to prevent certain facts and opinions being expressed. No stone was left unturned; from dossiers gathered about ordinary people to high profile libel actions against media outlets.

In my opinion those efforts ensured that people found ways of expressing their opinions nevertheless. Why? Perhaps because people suspected that the adage 'no smoke without fire' had some truth in it. The unremitting determination to silence questioners simply reinforced their conviction that speaking out was necessary imo.

The PJ may have made mistakes, and their efforts may have been hampered, but they still trod their own path. Imo attempts were made to persuade them, like Operation Grange, to investigate only abduction by a stranger, but they didn't comply.
A vast exaggeration of the truth IMO.  Did it ever occur to you that the McCanns might actually be innocent?  I bet it never!
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #133 on: September 18, 2021, 02:53:57 PM »
I think you need to acknowledge that other police forces do things differently. The German police resemble the PJ much more than they resemble the British police, as do the French police. Did you see how a German policeman put his gun to the head of a suspect to persuade him to do as they wanted him to do? They're quite happy to obtain confessions by suspect means also.
https://second.wiki/wiki/todesfall_rudolf_rupp
Be careful, you're in danger of sounding critical of the PJ's methods of conducting interviews of suspects.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Mr Gray

Re: An Inept Investigation?
« Reply #134 on: September 18, 2021, 03:02:39 PM »
I think I've made it clear that I have doubts about the McCanns, although I would never be arrogant enough to claim smugly that I know what happened to Madeleine. Any investigation can be criticised no matter where it takes place and by whom. In my opinion those who dismiss the first investigation completely don't know as much as they think they do.

I dont claim to know what happened to Maddie but based on all the evidence its possible to decide whats most likely.

i dismiss the first investigation because they based their beliefs on an inability to understand the evidence....Imo I dismiss it because I have a very good understanding of the evidence.  Not sure why you feel the need to use words like arrogant and smugly...it really lowers your credibility imo