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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Anectdotal witness evidence
« Reply #240 on: December 27, 2021, 10:57:00 PM »
This is where you go wrong. The meaning of words.
 Inference means "to draw a conclusion based on evidence". A conclusion is a final decision or judgement
You can't conclude from the alerts but it still may suggest a body has been present.
Its the same meaning, but I doubt you will agree.

Conclusions don't have to be final judgements... Suggesting a body may have been present is making an inferencce

Offline Icanhandlethetruth

Re: Anectdotal witness evidence
« Reply #241 on: December 27, 2021, 11:07:49 PM »
Conclusions don't have to be final judgements... Suggesting a body may have been present is making an inferencce
How would you define the word conclusion, my definition is as the dictionary.

a judgement or decision reached by reasoning.   (Oxford Dictionary)

 a final decision or judgment : an opinion or decision that is formed after a period of thought or research.( webster)

 a position or opinion or judgment reached after consideration  (vocabulary.com)

Suggesting a body may have been present is making a suggestion

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Anectdotal witness evidence
« Reply #242 on: December 27, 2021, 11:12:58 PM »
How would you define the word conclusion, my definition is as the dictionary.


 )

 a position or opinion or judgment reached after consideration  (vocabulary.com)

Suggesting a body may have been present is making a suggestion

That ones fine... Suggesting a body may have been present is, an opinion based on reasoning.. Which is.. A, conclusion ..and is, therefore, an inference

Offline Icanhandlethetruth

Re: Anectdotal witness evidence
« Reply #243 on: December 27, 2021, 11:20:20 PM »
That ones fine... Suggesting a body may have been present is, an opinion based on reasoning.. Which is.. A, conclusion ..and is, therefore, an inference

But it also says judgement reached. and the other two say the same.
You can't just pick the one that suits you best, and ignore the others.
How do you know Harrison meant your definition and not the others.
You don't.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Anectdotal witness evidence
« Reply #244 on: December 28, 2021, 07:35:22 AM »
The post you called silly asked the question

Wouldn't it be logical that Harrison being aware of blind searches proposed to do so with the searches.

Which I have never asked before, but whatever.

But no one has also ever said " Yeah, but he knew he was in the McCanns apartment" Have they?
Because it’s pretty self evident that’s why. 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline G-Unit

Re: Anectdotal witness evidence
« Reply #245 on: December 28, 2021, 08:38:52 AM »
Because it’s pretty self evident that’s why.

Imo it's an assumption by McCann supporters. Why they think it's significant, however, I don't know. Most dog searches are carried out in areas which are associated with the missing person or with suspects. That's why all the apartments occupied by the T9 were visited, as was Murat's house.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Anectdotal witness evidence
« Reply #246 on: December 28, 2021, 09:12:49 AM »
But it also says judgement reached. and the other two say the same.
You can't just pick the one that suits you best, and ignore the others.
How do you know Harrison meant your definition and not the others.
You don't.

First it was you who offered the definition
...second it fits.  Harrison wanted to distance himself from Grimes alerts imo.  The evidence is in his statements .
In s previous post gunit made the same observation

Offline faithlilly

Re: Anectdotal witness evidence
« Reply #247 on: December 28, 2021, 09:16:35 AM »
What has never been sufficiently explained by those who think Grime somehow ‘manufactured’ alerts to promote his business is what did he have to gain? He himself stated that any alerts needed to be corroborated by forensic evidence so why would he manufacture alerts that he knew wouldn’t be?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Anectdotal witness evidence
« Reply #248 on: December 28, 2021, 09:23:18 AM »
What has never been sufficiently explained by those who think Grime somehow ‘manufactured’ alerts to promote his business is what did he have to gain? He himself stated that any alerts needed to be corroborated by forensic evidence so why would he manufacture alerts that he knew wouldn’t be?

I've explained... The clairvoyant scenario
I have it on very good authority that Grimes dogs alerts are not considered reliable by someone who sceptics consider the top expert in the field

Offline G-Unit

Re: Anectdotal witness evidence
« Reply #249 on: December 28, 2021, 09:49:53 AM »
What has never been sufficiently explained by those who think Grime somehow ‘manufactured’ alerts to promote his business is what did he have to gain? He himself stated that any alerts needed to be corroborated by forensic evidence so why would he manufacture alerts that he knew wouldn’t be?

Grime had no reason to 'manufacture' alerts. The integrity of his team was his best selling point.
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Re: Anectdotal witness evidence
« Reply #250 on: December 28, 2021, 09:52:14 AM »
I've explained... The clairvoyant scenario
I have it on very good authority that Grimes dogs alerts are not considered reliable by someone who sceptics consider the top expert in the field

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Anectdotal witness evidence
« Reply #251 on: December 28, 2021, 09:57:10 AM »
Name?


Only detection canine resources trained specifically in the detection of human
decomposition may provide reliable intelligence. Resources trained with the
inclusion of animal-based training aids provide a far wider interpretation of canine
responses that must include the source may equally be animal or human. If
detection canine training is inclusive of food-based pork products this widens the
interpretation spectrum to include foodstuff.





What do you think......i would like your comments before giving the source...you would have to agree this statement questions the whole validity of grime and his alerts
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Anectdotal witness evidence
« Reply #252 on: December 28, 2021, 10:39:30 AM »

Only detection canine resources trained specifically in the detection of human
decomposition may provide reliable intelligence. Resources trained with the
inclusion of animal-based training aids provide a far wider interpretation of canine
responses that must include the source may equally be animal or human. If
detection canine training is inclusive of food-based pork products this widens the
interpretation spectrum to include foodstuff.





What do you think......i would like your comments before giving the source...you would have to agree this statement questions the whole validity of grime and his alerts

What are 'animal-based training aids?'
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Anectdotal witness evidence
« Reply #253 on: December 28, 2021, 10:53:04 AM »
What are 'animal-based training aids?'

Piglets are animal based training aids.. What do you think

Offline Brietta

Re: Anectdotal witness evidence
« Reply #254 on: December 28, 2021, 11:07:38 AM »
Imo it's an assumption by McCann supporters. Why they think it's significant, however, I don't know. Most dog searches are carried out in areas which are associated with the missing person or with suspects. That's why all the apartments occupied by the T9 were visited, as was Murat's house.

The point is the amount of time spent in each apartment.

Almost as prejudicial as the abortive removal of clothing from one locale to another when no alert was forthcoming.

We are told there was no alert in the Murat residence.
Why was it not considered appropriate to remove his clothing to a gymnasium for another bite at the cherry - which was the procedure adopted singularly for the McCann clothing.

Just as the obvious difference in the non-blind approach to the vehicles even to the untrained eye.

All of this carried out without peer criticism which might have picked up on and regulated unconscious handler bias.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....