Author Topic: The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect  (Read 158049 times)

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Offline Mr Gray

There's no game, they don't have enough evidence, despite their '100% confidence'.

Your post is imprecise..

Enough evidence for what.. And
100% sure of what.

Offline The General

Your post is imprecise..

Enough evidence for what.. And
100% sure of what.
Enough evidence to achieve the threshold to satisfy the prosecutor to proceed.
'100%' is their term, not mine.
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Offline G-Unit

Its been fully explained by Wolters himself why he is in no rush to charge.Nothing on this forum passes the legal threshold for libel. CB has not issued libel proceedings.. He's made a criminal complaint and there is as yet no indication any action is being taken

The question of a fair trial depends on what evidence HCW has.
I dont think there is the slightest doubt the Germans have the evidence they claim

The fairness of a trial depends on whether the suspect was treated as if he was innocent up to the time when he was convicted. Brueckner's trial (if it ever happens) is tainted because the prosecution declared his guilt to the world even before he was arrested. Guilt is decided by a criminal trial, not by anyone or anything else.
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Offline Mr Gray

The fairness of a trial depends on whether the suspect was treated as if he was innocent up to the time when he was convicted. Brueckner's trial (if it ever happens) is tainted because the prosecution declared his guilt to the world even before he was arrested. Guilt is decided by a criminal trial, not by anyone or anything else.

total rubbish imo. The fairness of a trial is governed by the quality of the evidence. By you logic the greek helicopter pilot who has allegedly confessed to killing his wife will not get a fair trial...do you accept that. Your argumnet does not stand up

Offline Mr Gray

Enough evidence to achieve the threshold to satisfy the prosecutor to proceed.
'100%' is their term, not mine.

You have stated that as fact even though its your opinion. I have seen nothing to say the  court has been approached. HCW is the prosecutor and he has explained why he is not proceeding at present. Im fairly sure that CB would need to be questioned first

Offline barrier

The BKK have the evidence they claim that MM was murdered by CB.... Evidence that convinces them 100 %.
I simply don't believe they are playing some kind of game... That to me is totally ridiculous. HCW has been 100% consistent in everything he has said

Doesn't mean he's right, some where imo  there's  doubt that a conviction can be secured with what he's got, remember he's no photo or video, no dna, doesn't leave much but his circumstantial, clearly not enough least of all because in all likelihood CB wasn't involved.
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Offline G-Unit

total rubbish imo. The fairness of a trial is governed by the quality of the evidence. By you logic the greek helicopter pilot who has allegedly confessed to killing his wife will not get a fair trial...do you accept that. Your argumnet does not stand up

Nonsense. There's a huge difference between a suspect saying he did it and a prosecutor saying it.
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Offline barrier

There is no doubt that CB is a very dangerous convicted offender, and has the profile of a person who could abduct a toddler like Madeleine.

And there could be proof that he was in PdL less than two hours before the crime.

And HCW firmly believes CB killed Madeleine (I also believe she was killed, based only on statistical likelihood, but not 100% sure).

Has HCW more evidence, apart from profile and call? Or HCW says he has more evidence expecting CB confession?


I have always defended your right to an opinion, although I doubt that you will remember this.

But this is all too much. Ifs and Maybes.  I already know all of what you are saying.  So what is it that you want me  to believe?  Or perhaps it is just a language thing and I am at fault because I don't understand what you are saying.

Personally, I have no idea of if this really horrible man abducted Madeleine.  At the moment I can only hope not, unless  Madeleine was up for sale.  But that is just me and my hopes.

I am not having Brueckner convicted just because someone said so.  But then I ever was a wild card, even if some of these idiots don't realise.

Eleanor you asked about reasonable doubt previously , to me Heri explains it well with his second  sentence, could be in Luz, unless 100% certain then there is doubt, that then is reasonable doubt imo that no one can place him in Luz 2 hrs before  10pm let alone at  10pm  on 3/05/2007 , as long as that remains then the BKA have an unsurmountable problem again imo.
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Offline Mr Gray

Nonsense. There's a huge difference between a suspect saying he did it and a prosecutor saying it.

Nonsense.. Have you heard the suspect confess... No.. You believe the police. Your logic doesn't stand up

So if the suspect claims he was pressured into confessing and now retracts it... By your logic he can claim an unfair trial on the basis the police have declared him guilty

Your logic doesn't stand up

Offline jassi

Why sit on such compelling evidence with their prime suspect sat in a jail cell?
Why wait, given the apparent certainty and their insistence of their level of confidence?
Why not charge him with what they have if it's so compelling?
The line in the sand was when HCW proclaimed to the world - nearly 2 years ago - that they had their man. There was no squeezing the genie back in to the lamp, so his gambit had to pay off fully and his 'caller' either come forward or be identified. It all hinged on that.

The caller has never been identified and he's no nearer today to charging CB than he was in June 2020.
In the meantime, as unpalatable as it seems to be to some, any chance of a 'fair' trial has evaporated, and HCW knows it. By going public he opened Pandora's Box, unleashing a global maelstrom of speculation, innuendo, falsehoods, libel, research, crappy disposable 'documentaries' and every internet idiot all having a square go - including me, including right here on this forum.
(A quick search will unveil many instances of potential libel for CB's legal team to sift through on this section alone).

I believe the German prosecutors have rebuffed him (HCW) several times, with him presenting his case to them and them informing him that the threshold of their precious trial / success ratio has not been met - and this, the biggest story out there, with the eyes of the world now firmly fixed directly at them, failure is not an option.
The caller? Probably dead or fled. It may be it was one of his little band of hippy miscreants, although given that they're lining up to spill their guts, we would probably know by now. So it's more likely it's another contact - and I reckon it's a Brit on a burner, probably a drug deal.

He's now opening up, having remained relatively taciturn for so long. Why? Because he knows what they have, or don't have, and he knows he's in the clear, perhaps because he didn't do it - or maybe not.
The legal case against the SAT 1 'journalist' is the first shot across the bows in Germany. That might shut a few of the press hounds up for a bit, but it will have the opposite effect elsewhere. But it's also a signal of where this all ends, with CB languishing in a cushy prison, having been moved due to the threat of Human Rights litigation, sat on an ever increasing pile of Euro until his release in 2027

I do wonder if this has been the intention all along.
Wolters had his suspicions and facilitated the outing and media assassination of Brueckner because he was lacking the essential evidence.

He could have brought the details of the phone call to the public's attention without  identifying the suspect in any way by just saying that it was a 'German National' who received the  call in PDL.

As it is Wolters can now  say that they couldn't bring him to trial, but have no doubt of his guilt and because of media speculation and a string of dubious documentaries, people will believe that Brueckner is the man - even if he isn't.

Mission accomplished as they say.


IMO.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Vertigo Swirl

I do wonder if this has been the intention all along.
Wolters had his suspicions and facilitated the outing and media assassination of Brueckner because he was lacking the essential evidence.

He could have brought the details of the phone call to the public's attention without  identifying the suspect in any way by just saying that it was a 'German National' who received the  call in PDL.

As it is Wolters can now  say that they couldn't bring him to trial, but have no doubt of his guilt and because of media speculation and a string of dubious documentaries, people will believe that Brueckner is the man - even if he isn't.

Mission accomplished as they say.


IMO.
Why would the Germans be on a mission to point the finger of blame for Madeleine's disappearance at one of their own?  Is it a conspiracy to deflect from the real culprits do you think?  *%87
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Offline G-Unit

Nonsense.. Have you heard the suspect confess... No.. You believe the police. Your logic doesn't stand up

So if the suspect claims he was pressured into confessing and now retracts it... By your logic he can claim an unfair trial on the basis the police have declared him guilty

Your logic doesn't stand up

The Greek police said he confessed. Presumeably they had a written confession in their possession. Wolters said his suspect was guilty but offered no evidence at all to back up his statement.
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Offline The General

Its been fully explained by Wolters himself why he is in no rush to charge.Nothing on this forum passes the legal threshold for libel. CB has not issued libel proceedings.. He's made a criminal complaint and there is as yet no indication any action is being taken

The question of a fair trial depends on what evidence HCW has.
I dont think there is the slightest doubt the Germans have the evidence they claim
This is a new one, you're wrong on all counts this time. Usually it's only about 70%
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

The Greek police said he confessed. Presumeably they had a written confession in their possession. Wolters said his suspect was guilty but offered no evidence at all to back up his statement.
What, nothing?  Do you know what evidence means?
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Offline Wonderfulspam

What, nothing? 

Yeah, a crook said Brueckner confessed, but he had to keep it secret until he got arrested for something else.
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