The known facts and the speculations featuring Brueckner, the prime suspect

[Vertigo Swirl]

In order for it to have been Gerry then two incredible pieces of luck struck the McCanns that night.  Firstly, incredible bad luck in that leaving their sleeping children unattended for up to 30 minutes at a time resulted in one of them having a fatal accident - what are the odds of that happening I wonder?  And then secondly incredible good luck in that having discovered the dead child and without recourse to a vehicle, a spade, a torch, or even very much time, Gerry was able to pursue a course of action in which he disposed of the body close to where the child had her accident, for it never to be found again even despite allegedly having been caught in the act of body occultation and to have managed to persuade some or all of his mates to go along with this heinous crime pretty much instantly. 

And for some this is all far more plausible and logical than the belief that the McCanns suffered just one incredible piece of (bad) luck that night, ie the child’s abduction by a stranger from the unlocked apartment?

C’mon folks, get real.

[G-Unit]

The slight flaw in your argument is that there was no attempt to cover up their child care arrangements so why risk everything by lying and conspiring simply to protect the reputations of two of your group whose child dies accidentally?  It makes absolutely no sense at all.

Also, can we have a cite for doctors closing rank in a non professional setting please?  Because that doesn’t make any sense either IMO.

They couldn't cover up what they were doing, but they could make sure they offered the best version of it. I don't think you can assume that Madeleine died accidentally or that the McCanns knew that. Neither can you assume there was no 'doctoring' going on in Luz.

[Vertigo Swirl]

They couldn't cover up what they were doing, but they could make sure they offered the best version of it. I don't think you can assume that Madeleine died accidentally or that the McCanns knew that. Neither can you assume there was no 'doctoring' going on in Luz.

So you think it’s possible Madeleine was deliberately killed but the parents didn’t necessarily know that?  And what do you mean by “doctoring” if that were the case?  This has taken an unexpectedly dark turn I must say!

Is closing rank a uniquely “doctoring” phenomenon btw?  Do other professionals not do this?  If it had been a bunch of teachers or firemen or army personnel would they not have the same insincts in your estimation?

[G-Unit]

So you think it’s possible Madeleine was deliberately killed but the parents didn’t necessarily know that?  And what do you mean by “doctoring” if that were the case?  This has taken an unexpectedly dark turn I must say!

Is closing rank a uniquely “doctoring” phenomenon btw?  Do other professionals not do this?  If it had been a bunch of teachers or firemen or army personnel would they not have the same insincts in your estimation?

I have no theory at all, I'm simple open to any possibility that might exist. Sticking one's head above the parapet is risky in any job or profession because it can have adverse personal effects.

[Angelo222]

In order for it to have been Gerry then two incredible pieces of luck struck the McCanns that night.  Firstly, incredible bad luck in that leaving their sleeping children unattended for up to 30 minutes at a time resulted in one of them having a fatal accident - what are the odds of that happening I wonder?  And then secondly incredible good luck in that having discovered the dead child and without recourse to a vehicle, a spade, a torch, or even very much time, Gerry was able to pursue a course of action in which he disposed of the body close to where the child had her accident, for it never to be found again even despite allegedly having been caught in the act of body occultation and to have managed to persuade some or all of his mates to go along with this heinous crime pretty much instantly. 

And for some this is all far more plausible and logical than the belief that the McCanns suffered just one incredible piece of (bad) luck that night, ie the child’s abduction by a stranger from the unlocked apartment?

C’mon folks, get real.

The bit that has always stood out for me is the two versions of events around 9.15pm when Gerry and Jez were supposedly chatting at the side of the road when flip flopping tippy toeing Jane Tanner crept by. Like Amaral, I have great difficulty accepting her version of events. How on earth do you pass someone on a footpath without being seen?

[Vertigo Swirl]

I have no theory at all, I'm simple open to any possibility that might exist. Sticking one's head above the parapet is risky in any job or profession because it can have adverse personal effects.

So there is literally nothing you would rule out after 15 years of studying this case (apart from abduction by a paedo like CB obviously!)  Is it wrong to assume Madeleine was alive and well during the day of 3rd May 2007 for example?

[Vertigo Swirl]

The bit that has always stood out for me is the two versions of events around 9.15pm when Gerry and Jez were supposedly chatting at the side of the road when flip flopping tippy toeing Jane Tanner crept by. Like Amaral, I have great difficulty accepting her version of events. How on earth do you pass someone on a footpath without being seen?

yawn.

[G-Unit]

The bit that has always stood out for me is the two versions of events around 9.15pm when Gerry and Jez were supposedly chatting at the side of the road when flip flopping tippy toeing Jane Tanner crept by. Like Amaral, I have great difficulty accepting her version of events. How on earth do you pass someone on a footpath without being seen?

By not passing them on a footpath? That's how Gerry McCann explained it.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I have no theory at all, I'm simple open to any possibility that might exist. Sticking one's head above the parapet is risky in any job or profession because it can have adverse personal effects.

I’d like to come back to this if I may.  What risk to their professional careers would there have been if one or more of the Tapas group had decided not to stand by the McCanns’ version of events in your view? 

[G-Unit]

So there is literally nothing you would rule out after 15 years of studying this case (apart from abduction by a paedo like CB obviously!)  Is it wrong to assume Madeleine was alive and well during the day of 3rd May 2007 for example?

How can anything be ruled out, when it's not clear if what has been said is correct? The 30 minute checks have been publicised, leaving ample time for an abduction, but when the evidence is examined there was allegedly a lot of activity near the apartment which reduced those 30 minute opportunities significantly.

[Mr Gray]

The bit that has always stood out for me is the two versions of events around 9.15pm when Gerry and Jez were supposedly chatting at the side of the road when flip flopping tippy toeing Jane Tanner crept by. Like Amaral, I have great difficulty accepting her version of events. How on earth do you pass someone on a footpath without being seen?

I'm far more interested in what evidence the Germans have that has convinced them that Maddie is dead and CB murdered her. Your explanation that the entire German investigation is lying doesn't stand up

[Mr Gray]

How can anything be ruled out, when it's not clear if what has been said is correct? The 30 minute checks have been publicised, leaving ample time for an abduction, but when the evidence is examined there was allegedly a lot of activity near the apartment which reduced those 30 minute opportunities significantly.

Ample time for abduction... But you simply can't accept this due to your bias

[G-Unit]

I’d like to come back to this if I may.  What risk to their professional careers would there have been if one or more of the Tapas group had decided not to stand by the McCanns’ version of events in your view?

That would depend on what they said, surely? Given the way others have been judged, they wouldn't have been popular in any area of their lives had they 'let down' those 'poor, heartbroken, loving, religious beacons of all that is wonderful parents'.

[G-Unit]

Ample time for abduction... But you simply can't accept this due to your bias

One possible 'ample time' or many? Please be more specific.

[Vertigo Swirl]

That would depend on what they said, surely? Given the way others have been judged, they wouldn't have been popular in any area of their lives had they 'let down' those 'poor, heartbroken, loving, religious beacons of all that is wonderful parents'.

Oh dear, you’ve rather let yourself down with that last sentence.  Where are you getting this quote from, or is it a oroduct of your sarcastic imaginings?  I’m not following your logic either.  Are you telling me that if one or more of the doctors had cast doubt on the McCanns’ version of events (which could quite possibly have resulted in arrests and charges) that these honest witnesses would have suffered as a result of turning in two such dishonest, evil parents?  Huh?!