It has taken fifteen years ~ is Madeleine's case close to being solved?

[Brietta]

Well they didn't really have good reason to suspect him of anything.

There was nothing immediately linking him to Madeleine's disappearance.

Maybe the crook he confessed to back in 2008 shouldn't have kept it to himself for 9 years.

I soooo agree.  Then how was he to know that sharing information with the police sometimes didn't pay the expected dividends in 2008.  Or how would he know what action was taken - or not.

I'm sure there was absolutely no reason for the police to be knocking at the door of a sex offender during a missing child inquiry.

This is what comes of collating information on the back of an envelope.  Typewriters ~ word processors ~ and now computers: will the wonders of modern science never cease!!!!!!

[Wonderfulspam]

I soooo agree.  Then how was he to know that sharing information with the police sometimes didn't pay the expected dividends in 2008.  Or how would he know what action was taken - or not.

I'm sure there was absolutely no reason for the police to be knocking at the door of a sex offender during a missing child inquiry.

This is what comes of collating information on the back of an envelope.  Typewriters ~ word processors ~ and now computers: will the wonders of modern science never cease!!!!!!

Can we be certain he actually reported it to the police at the time?

It doesn't appear so.

[Brietta]

Can we be certain he actually reported it to the police at the time?

It doesn't appear so.

I'm going with the Moorov Doctrine on that one.

[G-Unit]

I'm going with the Moorov Doctrine on that one.

Which is a) Scottish, b) requires more than one credible witness and c) seems to have time contraints. A bit tenuous in a case where a witness waited 9 years to come forward.
https://www.lawscot.org.uk/members/journal/issues/vol-64-issue-04/moorov-then-and-now/

[Brietta]

Which is a) Scottish, b) requires more than one credible witness and c) seems to have time contraints. A bit tenuous in a case where a witness waited 9 years to come forward.
https://www.lawscot.org.uk/members/journal/issues/vol-64-issue-04/moorov-then-and-now/

You may have 'Googled' Moorov ~ but either you totally do not understand the concept or choose to misrepresent it. Nothing at all new there.

Basically it states that in the law of evidence in Scottish Law that corroboration can be found from two uncorroborated incidents closely related in time and nature.
Therefore proof can be found of the veracity of the witness in that a second witness affirms the same.  That is,

• that an incident was reported to the police at a date and time but ignored.
• that another witness statement relates the same procedural failure

I don't know if you contributed or not to recent threads on the forum where exactly this situation was discussed; but there is no doubt that Brueckner's friend was most certainly not alone in reporting to the police and never hearing about it again.

Which is why I cited Moorov.  Very interesting you felt the need to attempt to rubbish it by turning the fact on its head.
Nine years does not come into it.
The witness stated that he gave the information to the police at the time.  T'would be similar to the contact made to the police in similar circumstances in 2017.  Only on this occasion the German police acted on the information and checked it out.

How different things might have been had the Portuguese acted in a similar fashion back in 2008 ~ but they didn't.

[G-Unit]

I wonder if these witnesses can remember when and where they went to speak to the police and which police force they spoke to?

[Brietta]

I wonder if these witnesses can remember when and where they went to speak to the police and which police force they spoke to?

The point is - it doesn't really matter any more.

The time for action is long gone past now.  Remember how the thread started.  With the admonition that if one isn't looking one is highly unlikely to find.

Unfortunately that does seem to have been the norm as far as Madeleine McCann was concerned. 

Even to the present day when legitimate investigation has led to the emergence of an individual that evidence suggests might have a case to answer and who is the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance as a result.

The furore that has unleashed must be unprecedented as the suspect's "innocence" is defended to the hilt.

What crime did this little girl commit that it has taken over fifteen years to even touch on a resolution to her case?

Why is it that whatever the evidence against, there isn't a filthy pervert in the world who isn't vociferously defended while Madeleine is not?  Has this been the true situation of fifteen years of official neglect, until evidence was given to the BKA which they actually followed through on which is why we are where we are today?

[Wonderfulspam]

The point is - it doesn't really matter any more.

The time for action is long gone past now.  Remember how the thread started.  With the admonition that if one isn't looking one is highly unlikely to find.

Unfortunately that does seem to have been the norm as far as Madeleine McCann was concerned. 

Even to the present day when legitimate investigation has led to the emergence of an individual that evidence suggests might have a case to answer and who is the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann's disappearance as a result.

The furore that has unleashed must be unprecedented as the suspect's "innocence" is defended to the hilt.

What crime did this little girl commit that it has taken over fifteen years to even touch on a resolution to her case?

Why is it that whatever the evidence against, there isn't a filthy pervert in the world who isn't vociferously defended while Madeleine is not? Has this been the true situation of fifteen years of official neglect, until evidence was given to the BKA which they actually followed through on which is why we are where we are today?

Wouldn't the time for defending her have been between 9pm & 10pm on May 3rd?

It's not much use defending her now if she's already dead, is it.

[sadie]

Wouldn't the time for defending her have been between 9pm & 10pm on May 3rd?

It's not much use defending her now if she's already dead, is it.

She is not dead.   Why is everyone prepared to accept she is dead?   

You do realise, don't you all, that if you keep saying it without any proof, she will become dead in the eyes of the World.   And the search will cease.

Scotland Yard believe her to be missing.    Note:  NOT DEAD

I have reasons for believing her to be very much alive



Some very clever disinformation has been drip fed to us persuading people that Madeleine is dead.   She is alive and either pregnant or has given birth (or maybe miscarried) from things that I have seen/deduced.   


 
I seem to remember that Kate, her Mum, had carrying/birthing problems needing medical assistance


Every time someone on here, or elsewhere, says that Madeleine is dead puts another nail in the coffin of the search IMO
Please stop saying it.

[Brietta]

Police close to charging Madeleine McCann No.1 suspect Christian B with sex crimes
Prosecutors handed files to Christian Brueckner's lawyer - the final step under German law before charges are brought. They do not include any evidence relating to Madeleine McCann's disappearance

ByMartin FrickerNews Reporter
19:05, 24 May 2022

Prosecutors have moved a step closer to charging Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner with new sex crimes.

They have handed their files to Brueckner’s lawyer, the final step under German law before charges are brought.

The paperwork includes evidence allegedly linking him to the rape of an Irish tour rep and indecent exposures.

German prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters told the Mirror the files were handed to Brueckner’s lawyer Friedrich Fulscher earlier this week. They do not include any evidence relating to Madeleine’s disappearance from her parents’ holiday flat in Praia da Luz in 2007.

Mr Wolters previously said investigators are sure Brueckner, 45, who lived in the resort, abducted the three-year-old.

Hazel Behan says she was raped in Praia de Rocha in June 2004.

She has waived her right to anonymity and said her masked attacker spoke English with a German accent.

The ordeal she described was similar to the rape Brueckner carried out on a pensioner in Praia da Luz in 2005, for which he is still in prison.

Files handed to Mr Fulscher also include evidence allegedly linking Brueckner to two indecent exposures to children in Portugal. Mr Wolters said: “The defence attorney must be given a reasonable amount of time to work through the files and to discuss them with his client.

“In view of the quite extensive files... Mr Fulscher will need a few weeks.”

Mr Fulscher now has a right of reply before any charges are filed.

Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, say they hold out hope their daughter is still alive.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/police-close-charging-madeleine-mccann-27054128

[Brietta]

EXCLUSIVE: Madeleine McCann suspect launches into Adolf Hitler rant in leaked prison letter
Rapist and paedophile Christian Brueckner, 45, has told German authorities to 'put up or shut up' after spending two years being labelled as the prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case

Christian Brueckner denies any involvement in Madeleine McCann's disappearance
By Martin Fricker  News Reporter
19:00, 20 Jul 2022

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner has compared the German prosecutor investigating him to Adolf Hitler.

The 45-year-old rapist and paedophile hit out at Hans Christian Wolters in a ranting prison letter seen by the Mirror.

He told German authorities to “put up or shut up” after spending two years as the prime suspect in the case.

Brueckner, who denies any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance, is serving a seven-year jail term for rape.

Mr Wolters has repeatedly said they have proof that Maddie was snatched by him in May 2007 and that she is dead.

But despite spending years investigating the German, they appear no closer to charging him with the crime.

Now Brueckner has gone on the offensive, challenging prosecutors to prove the claims they have made against him.

In a letter written in pencil, the convicted pervert said his life has been destroyed by “Hitler-like behaviour”.

He wrote: “I’m wondering why people still ask me where I was on 3 May 2007.

“It is not on me to present evidence.  Ask the prosecutor in the same overkill way like it happens with me.

“Ask him why he destroyed the life of a human being by telling lies to the public in 2020.

“I can’t ask him. He is talking to me only by using the media.”

Likening Mr Wolters to Hitler, he added: “I can’t give any answer why a German prosecutor can act like that in the McCann case.

“The only answer I find for myself is that Hitler is still everywhere. The prosecutor has been sowing for two years now and he knows that there can’t be a return.”

Brueckner accused German authorities of trying to frame him for other crimes allegedly committed in Portugal. Prosecutors are believed to be weeks away from charging him with raping an Irish tour rep in the Algarve in 2004.

They also suspect him of involvement in two indecent exposure cases in Portugal involving children. Brueckner, who denies being responsible for any of the crimes, said of Mr Wolters: “The whole world is watching him. To cover the blame he starts more and more inquiries against me, all of them happened many years ago and far away from Germany.

“Witnesses are having bad memories already and they are easy to influence.

“I’ve spent the last few days reading files – 5,500 pages without any evidence for even one stolen bicycle. Nothing. I knew it would end like this.”

Brueckner also moaned about his conditions in Oldenburg Prison in northern Germany. He said: “It’s not even possible for me to buy even one pen. I’m in a special protected place (isolation) for more than four months.

“Locked up for 24 hours with no TV.”

He said in a previous letter: “I wasn’t kidnapping anybody and of course I wasn’t killing anybody.”

Portuguese officials made Brueckner an official suspect in May, almost 15 years on from Maddie’s disappearance.

He is currently in jail for the 2005 rape of a pensioner in Praia da Luz, the resort where Madeleine vanished from her family holiday apartment 15 years ago.

Parents Kate and Gerry McCann, from Rothley, Leics, still believe she is alive.

Mr Wolters has previously refused to comment on Brueckner’s prison letters.

Last year he told the Mirror that prosecutors have enough evidence to charge Brueckner with her murder, but as he is in jail for separate offences, they decided to continue their probe indefinitely.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-launches-adolf-27533856

[Vertigo Swirl]

Is this another letter to his penpal McFadden?

[Eleanor]

I have been wondering when the Hitler angle would raise it's ugly head, although coming from Brueckner is a surprise, considering the depths of his own depravity.

[Mr Gray]

Confirms he has been served legal files... For the Behan case no doubt... Looks like things are moving.

[Wonderfulspam]

EXCLUSIVE: Madeleine McCann suspect launches into Adolf Hitler rant in leaked prison letter
Rapist and paedophile Christian Brueckner, 45, has told German authorities to 'put up or shut up' after spending two years being labelled as the prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case

Christian Brueckner denies any involvement in Madeleine McCann's disappearance
By Martin Fricker  News Reporter
19:00, 20 Jul 2022

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner has compared the German prosecutor investigating him to Adolf Hitler.

The 45-year-old rapist and paedophile hit out at Hans Christian Wolters in a ranting prison letter seen by the Mirror.

He told German authorities to “put up or shut up” after spending two years as the prime suspect in the case.

Brueckner, who denies any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance, is serving a seven-year jail term for rape.

Mr Wolters has repeatedly said they have proof that Maddie was snatched by him in May 2007 and that she is dead.

But despite spending years investigating the German, they appear no closer to charging him with the crime.

Now Brueckner has gone on the offensive, challenging prosecutors to prove the claims they have made against him.

In a letter written in pencil, the convicted pervert said his life has been destroyed by “Hitler-like behaviour”.

He wrote: “I’m wondering why people still ask me where I was on 3 May 2007.

“It is not on me to present evidence.  Ask the prosecutor in the same overkill way like it happens with me.

“Ask him why he destroyed the life of a human being by telling lies to the public in 2020.

“I can’t ask him. He is talking to me only by using the media.”

Likening Mr Wolters to Hitler, he added: “I can’t give any answer why a German prosecutor can act like that in the McCann case.

“The only answer I find for myself is that Hitler is still everywhere. The prosecutor has been sowing for two years now and he knows that there can’t be a return.”

Brueckner accused German authorities of trying to frame him for other crimes allegedly committed in Portugal. Prosecutors are believed to be weeks away from charging him with raping an Irish tour rep in the Algarve in 2004.

They also suspect him of involvement in two indecent exposure cases in Portugal involving children. Brueckner, who denies being responsible for any of the crimes, said of Mr Wolters: “The whole world is watching him. To cover the blame he starts more and more inquiries against me, all of them happened many years ago and far away from Germany.

“Witnesses are having bad memories already and they are easy to influence.

“I’ve spent the last few days reading files – 5,500 pages without any evidence for even one stolen bicycle. Nothing. I knew it would end like this.”

Brueckner also moaned about his conditions in Oldenburg Prison in northern Germany. He said: “It’s not even possible for me to buy even one pen. I’m in a special protected place (isolation) for more than four months.

“Locked up for 24 hours with no TV.”

He said in a previous letter: “I wasn’t kidnapping anybody and of course I wasn’t killing anybody.”

Portuguese officials made Brueckner an official suspect in May, almost 15 years on from Maddie’s disappearance.

He is currently in jail for the 2005 rape of a pensioner in Praia da Luz, the resort where Madeleine vanished from her family holiday apartment 15 years ago.

Parents Kate and Gerry McCann, from Rothley, Leics, still believe she is alive.

Mr Wolters has previously refused to comment on Brueckner’s prison letters.

Last year he told the Mirror that prosecutors have enough evidence to charge Brueckner with her murder, but as he is in jail for separate offences, they decided to continue their probe indefinitely.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-suspect-launches-adolf-27533856

"But despite spending years investigating the German, they appear no closer to charging him with the crime."

Wait, what?

I could have sworn Jon Clarke said charges against Brueckner would follow immediately after Wolters wraps up the other cases.