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Offline Brietta

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #75 on: May 24, 2022, 12:18:47 PM »
The chain of evidence that leads to a total dead end, you mean?

That chain of evidence, that isn't sufficient to press charges against Brueckner any time in the foreseeable future, you mean?

Yes, that's some concrete stuff right there, isn't it.

I'm content to wait for the German investigation to reach its conclusion and progress as indicated by their prosecutors.

Seems you are less than sanguine about your expectations.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #76 on: May 24, 2022, 12:37:18 PM »
I'm content to wait for the German investigation to reach its conclusion and progress as indicated by their prosecutors.

Seems you are less than sanguine about your expectations.

I think you'll find it's already reached it's conclusion, dearie.

Brueckner isn't going to be charged, & that's because Maddie wasn't abducted.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #77 on: May 24, 2022, 12:46:32 PM »
Oh Dear, what a poor sad article you are.  Even Sceptics want no truck with you.  But your comments aren't even worth deleting.

Just go away and find a life.  If in fact this is possible.
Spam thinks if he says it often enough it will become true - I blame the drug use in his earlier years for destroying his synapses. 
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #78 on: May 24, 2022, 01:57:01 PM »
I don't think I have ever encountered such a closed mind as yours or are all sceptics so inclined?

This review was not carried out in a vacuum.

It is stated categorically that all the evidence from previous investigations would be scrutinised and given appropriate weight and it starts off with the sentence ~
"The support and expertise proffered by the Commissioner will be provided by the Homicide & Serious Crime Command - SCD1." What do you suppose their role might have been?  just sitting around twiddling their thumbs while they were having evidential rings run around them?

This was no ordinary review process.
"Whilst ordinarily a review has no investigative remit whatsoever- the scale and extent of this enquiry cannot permit for such an approach. It will take too long to progress to any “action stage” if activity is given wholly and solely to a review process."

Do you think the PJ evidence which exonerated the McCanns wasn't part of this review?

The McCanns had fought long and hard to reach this stage.  Do you realise that without the supporting evidence that could have been as far as as they might have managed to go with Madeleine's investigation?
That was not the case.
Evidence which should have been addressed starting in 2007 was found in abundance.  The incidence of intrusion into holiday accommodation where children were abused being paramount.

If no-one is looking for links they won't be found.  I think time will tell on that one if ever Brueckner is brought to trial on the beach assault on the little German ten year old whose assailant addressed her in English.

What was 'the PJ evidence which exonerated the McCanns? The PJ weren't even able to identify the crime, so how did OG manage it?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #79 on: May 24, 2022, 02:00:18 PM »
What was 'the PJ evidence which exonerated the McCanns? The PJ weren't even able to identify the crime, so how did OG manage it?
By being superior detectives  8(>((
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Offline Brietta

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #80 on: May 24, 2022, 02:48:11 PM »
What was 'the PJ evidence which exonerated the McCanns? The PJ weren't even able to identify the crime, so how did OG manage it?

You mean the pride of Portugal were incapable of identifying crime???  Come to think of it though you are absolutely correct. 
It is a proven fact they do have an appalling record particularly where crimes against women and children are concerned so why should anyone be at all surprised they are incapable not only of solving a crime but even of determining what crime has been committed and the appropriate steps required to get justice for the victims.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Eleanor

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #81 on: May 24, 2022, 02:59:30 PM »
You mean the pride of Portugal were incapable of identifying crime???  Come to think of it though you are absolutely correct. 
It is a proven fact they do have an appalling record particularly where crimes against women and children are concerned so why should anyone be at all surprised they are incapable not only of solving a crime but even of determining what crime has been committed and the appropriate steps required to get justice for the victims.

That's the easy bit.  Blame the mother and then decide what she did, depending on what might fit.  Presuming that there is no body.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #82 on: May 24, 2022, 07:04:58 PM »
You mean the pride of Portugal were incapable of identifying crime???  Come to think of it though you are absolutely correct. 
It is a proven fact they do have an appalling record particularly where crimes against women and children are concerned so why should anyone be at all surprised they are incapable not only of solving a crime but even of determining what crime has been committed and the appropriate steps required to get justice for the victims.

Everyone familiar with the case knows that the Portuguese didn't identify the crime, surely?

"But therefore we do not possess any minimally solid and rigorous foundation in order to be able to state, with the safety that is requested, which was or were the exact and precise crime(s) that was or were practised on the person of the minor Madeleine McCann - apart from the supposed but dismissed crime of exposure or abandonment - or to hold anyone responsible over its authorship."
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

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Offline Brietta

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #83 on: May 24, 2022, 07:39:06 PM »
Everyone familiar with the case knows that the Portuguese didn't identify the crime, surely?

"But therefore we do not possess any minimally solid and rigorous foundation in order to be able to state, with the safety that is requested, which was or were the exact and precise crime(s) that was or were practised on the person of the minor Madeleine McCann - apart from the supposed but dismissed crime of exposure or abandonment - or to hold anyone responsible over its authorship."
https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

Everyone familiar with the case knows the impact police incompetence had on Madeleine's case the only thing was that we just had no real conception until recently of the depths actually plumbed.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #84 on: May 24, 2022, 07:54:26 PM »
Everyone familiar with the case knows the impact police incompetence had on Madeleine's case the only thing was that we just had no real conception until recently of the depths actually plumbed.

Ah. The much trumpeted incompetence of the PJ. As opposed to the much admired professionalism of the Met. The truth, imo, lies somewhere in between.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #85 on: May 24, 2022, 07:58:35 PM »
Ah. The much trumpeted incompetence of the PJ. As opposed to the much admired professionalism of the Met. The truth, imo, lies somewhere in between.
How do you come to terms with the fact that not only the Met but also the PJ and the BKA are treating Madeleine’s disappearance as an abduction?  How do you explain that to yourself?  Surely it must put your brain in a real whirl, no?
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Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #86 on: May 24, 2022, 08:46:40 PM »
How do you come to terms with the fact that not only the Met but also the PJ and the BKA are treating Madeleine’s disappearance as an abduction?  How do you explain that to yourself?  Surely it must put your brain in a real whirl, no?

We'll know if they're right when they manage to arrest someone. Until then it's speculation imo.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #87 on: May 24, 2022, 09:00:07 PM »
We'll know if they're right when they manage to arrest someone. Until then it's speculation imo.
Well done for once again answering a question I didn’t ask, I applaud your skill at question dodging!
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Offline sadie

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #88 on: May 25, 2022, 02:14:26 AM »
I've got a contribution for you.

What abduction?

Just another interesting pointer for you WS.   Not proof but yet another interesting observation that might mean something.



Prior to September 2013, I am musing over whether The Mccann private detectives were already wondering about CB, presumably from descriptions given by Tasmin Silence and the other three witnesses shown in the video


Cutting Edge Video          dated 11th September 2013



https://youtu.be/lkc3C6csaHI



Between 1.20 and 4.32 there are several shots of the man who was watching 5A.   These show his body shape, which is long, lean and quite unusual and with a pretty distinctive style

1)   Show general body shape
2)   Show long straight neck and prominent Adams apple
3)    Show general body shape and the hollow tummy area with thighs thrust forward
4)   Thighs thrust forward like HCW’s suspect, as seen on the images with the man leaning against 5A wall staring into the apartment.  See images taken from both directions in the alleyway.
5)   Dark sunglasses
6)   Clothes worn are pretty similar to those in the German photo supplied, I think, by Anthro.  Baggy white short sleeved T-shit with what look like jeans.



Compare this mans body to that of CB in the photograph taken inside his warehouse in Germany.  There are so many similarities.

I seem to remember that there is already a photofit image of this mans face which we thought was rather a good likeness.


Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Perceptions of Madeleine's Abduction
« Reply #89 on: May 25, 2022, 08:52:41 AM »
We'll know if they're right when they manage to arrest someone. Until then it's speculation imo.
It is not speculation that three police forces are investigating an abduction.  OK, you believe the Met was instructed by the High-Ups to investigate an abduction to the exclusion of anything else but how do you rationalize to yourself the fact that both the PJ and the BKA are treating Madeleine’s disappearance as an abduction as well?  Let’s see how well you manage to swerve this question this time.
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