Brueckner charged with sexual offences in cases unrelated to Madeleine

[Vertigo Swirl]

After he had been found smuggling immigrants into the country.

All a coincidence though.

So you don't believe the Greek police when they say Busching received no special treatment or incentive.  I see.  They must be in on it then, right, this worldwide conspiracy to nail Bruckner to save the McCanns' bacon.  It's truly amazing.  I doubt even QAnon would subscribe to such nonsense. 

[Anthro]

After he had been found smuggling immigrants into the country.

All a coincidence though.

As far as I know, Büsching had a car. He picked up people. Later to be discovered as illegal immigrants.

[Brietta]

As far as I know, Büsching had a car. He picked up people. Later to be discovered as illegal immigrants.

You are correct, Anthro.

Three consenting adults; certainly not boatloads!  OK he shouldn't have, but the Greek authorities made him pay for his crime.

Reading between the lines of his alleged assault on a homeless woman. I think it is possible that there was more to that than meets the eye too.

But whatever, it is repeated that he did make the attempt to bring the information he had to the attention of the Portuguese police at the time.  But he was ignored.

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Further investigation found that the German in question living in France had been arrested in 2011 in Igoumenitsa when he tried to transport three illegal immigrants from Africa in his car.

A case was filed against him and he was then released. But he did not appear in court and was arrested in 2015 in Thessaloniki when he had come back to Greece on holiday. He was taken to court where he was sentenced to seven years and five months in prison. In another document of the Hellenic Police drafted on July 20, 2017, it was noted that this German had been imprisoned on April 9, 2015 in Chania and had been using since October 2016 a mobile phone whose owner appeared to be a Bulgarian woman living in a lane on Liosion Street.

Finally, the 50-year-old was released from the prison of Chania in the summer of 2017 and immediately seems to have met in our country with a team of the British Police. The 50-year-old was reportedly in Portugal in May 2007 and was in a nearby location from Madeleine's disappearance site. In fact, he had contacted the local police at the time without his reports being taken seriously, as was the case with other similar information that has now been reassessed.

The 50-year-old stayed in Lamia a while after his release from prison, continuing to have contacts with English police officers. A few months later he appeared in a court in Corfu in the smuggling case and then allegedly departed from Greece in an unknown direction.
https://www.ieidiseis.gr/kosmos/item/47554-eksafanisi-mantlin-makkan-i-skotlant-giarnt-ekane-erevnes-kai-stin-ellada-gia-germano-poiniko

[faithlilly]

As far as I know, Büsching had a car. He picked up people. Later to be discovered as illegal immigrants.

Exactly….as far as you know. How far is that?

[faithlilly]

You are correct, Anthro.

Three consenting adults; certainly not boatloads!  OK he shouldn't have, but the Greek authorities made him pay for his crime.

Reading between the lines of his alleged assault on a homeless woman. I think it is possible that there was more to that than meets the eye too.

But whatever, it is repeated that he did make the attempt to bring the information he had to the attention of the Portuguese police at the time.  But he was ignored.

Snip
Further investigation found that the German in question living in France had been arrested in 2011 in Igoumenitsa when he tried to transport three illegal immigrants from Africa in his car.

A case was filed against him and he was then released. But he did not appear in court and was arrested in 2015 in Thessaloniki when he had come back to Greece on holiday. He was taken to court where he was sentenced to seven years and five months in prison. In another document of the Hellenic Police drafted on July 20, 2017, it was noted that this German had been imprisoned on April 9, 2015 in Chania and had been using since October 2016 a mobile phone whose owner appeared to be a Bulgarian woman living in a lane on Liosion Street.

Finally, the 50-year-old was released from the prison of Chania in the summer of 2017 and immediately seems to have met in our country with a team of the British Police. The 50-year-old was reportedly in Portugal in May 2007 and was in a nearby location from Madeleine's disappearance site. In fact, he had contacted the local police at the time without his reports being taken seriously, as was the case with other similar information that has now been reassessed.

The 50-year-old stayed in Lamia a while after his release from prison, continuing to have contacts with English police officers. A few months later he appeared in a court in Corfu in the smuggling case and then allegedly departed from Greece in an unknown direction.
https://www.ieidiseis.gr/kosmos/item/47554-eksafanisi-mantlin-makkan-i-skotlant-giarnt-ekane-erevnes-kai-stin-ellada-gia-germano-poiniko

So he jumped bail and failed to appear in court. I wonder how much he got paid for transporting the immigrants…wasn’t it his friend Seyferth who said that he’d do anything for money? And the beating up of the unfortunate beggar? What a nasty character.

Can you imagine his appearance in court for the prosecution? Any half decent defence lawyer….scratch that….even a totally incompetent defence lawyer would tear him to shreds.

As to it being let known that no enticements had been offered to Busching for his testimony, do you really think that the police would admit that their star witness was offered anything for his evidence? It would fatally undermine his testimony and credibility. I’m not sure why seemingly intelligent individuals are gobbling up this nonsense. It’s absolutely absurd.

[Vertigo Swirl]

So he jumped bail and failed to appear in court. I wonder how much he got paid for transporting the immigrants…wasn’t it his friend Seyferth who said that he’d do anything for money? And the beating up of the unfortunate beggar? What a nasty character.

Can you imagine his appearance in court for the prosecution? Any half decent defence lawyer….scratch that….even a totally incompetent defence lawyer would tear him to shreds.

As to it being let known that no enticements had been offered to Busching for his testimony, do you really think that the police would admit that their star witness was offered anything for his evidence? It would fatally undermine his testimony and credibility. I’m not sure why seemingly intelligent individuals are gobbling up this nonsense. It’s absolutely absurd.

Perhaps you could explain in what way Busching was ever the Greek police’s “star witness” in anything, ever?  Be a woman and engage with me directly, don’t hide behind others’ posts to get your insults in.

[Vertigo Swirl]

There appears to be a belief (as exemplified by Faitlilly’s posts on the subject) that all any criminal need do in order to receive lenient treatment or get off scot-free is to invent a load of lies about a high profile case and the police (being stupidly gullible and eager to believe everything they are told) will simply accept what they’re told verbatim.  Not only that, but the police will then lie to the public claiming no incentives were offered (knowing that this can be checked and/or the criminal in question can contradict their claims at some later date) and all in the hope that maybe, one day (and in this case in a court far far away and certainly nothing within their own jurisdiction) they might get a pat on the back for their minor role in solving the crime.
I’m surprised their are any criminals left in Greek jails, it’s apparently so easy to get out just by telling a few fibs.

[Vertigo Swirl]

So he jumped bail and failed to appear in court. I wonder how much he got paid for transporting the immigrants…wasn’t it his friend Seyferth who said that he’d do anything for money? And the beating up of the unfortunate beggar? What a nasty character.

Can you imagine his appearance in court for the prosecution? Any half decent defence lawyer….scratch that….even a totally incompetent defence lawyer would tear him to shreds.

As to it being let known that no enticements had been offered to Busching for his testimony, do you really think that the police would admit that their star witness was offered anything for his evidence? It would fatally undermine his testimony and credibility. I’m not sure why seemingly intelligent individuals are gobbling up this nonsense. It’s absolutely absurd.

You’ve name-checked Seyferth a couple of times in order to cast doubt on Busching’s revelations.  Perhaps you need a reminder on what Seyferth has to say about Brückner and the video he also claims to have sen:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8746635/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-capable-taking-child-partner-crime-says.html

So - do you consider Seyferth’s claims more credible than Busching’s?   Do you not think the police interviewed him to check out Busching’s claims before these revelations appeared in the papers?

[Brietta]

There appears to be a belief (as exemplified by Faitlilly’s posts on the subject) that all any criminal need do in order to receive lenient treatment or get off scot-free is to invent a load of lies about a high profile case and the police (being stupidly gullible and eager to believe everything they are told) will simply accept what they’re told verbatim.  Not only that, but the police will then lie to the public claiming no incentives were offered (knowing that this can be checked and/or the criminal in question can contradict their claims at some later date) and all in the hope that maybe, one day (and in this case in a court far far away and certainly nothing within their own jurisdiction) they might get a pat on the back for their minor role in solving the crime.
I’m surprised their are any criminals left in Greek jails, it’s apparently so easy to get out just by telling a few fibs.

What gets me is the assumed naivety of the belief that investigators are primed to accept uncorroborated statements without checking and comparing with all the other evidence available to them in the case they are working.

Nothing is ever accepted at face value.  Checks and balances would have been carried out on the information held by Helge Busching and its credibility assessed.

To think and say otherwise is extremely desperate and naive.

The big mystery is the motivation of some.  Very obvious lies about dreadlocks and cartoons are deemed irrefutable when announced to the media by one criminal - but evidence given privately to the police by another who is not seeking publicity and notoriety is immediately pounced on for ridicule.  All because the lie at the heart of their belief system is challenged and demolished.

[Brietta]

You’ve name-checked Seyferth a couple of times in order to cast doubt on Busching’s revelations.  Perhaps you need a reminder on what Seyferth has to say about Brückner and the video he also claims to have sen:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8746635/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-capable-taking-child-partner-crime-says.html

So - do you consider Seyferth’s claims more credible than Busching’s?   Do you not think the police interviewed him to check out Busching’s claims before these revelations appeared in the papers?

Interesting from the point of view of detectives cross checking information in an investigation is a further link in the cite you have provided which categorically refutes misinformation made public.

Amaral claimed that Brueckner had his hair styled in hippie dreadlocks at the time Madeleine was taken.  The video in your link https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8746635/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-capable-taking-child-partner-crime-says.html shows Brueckner with a short hairstyle at a date and time which makes Amaral's publicity drive to the contrary an obvious lie.

[Eleanor]

What gets me is the assumed naivety of the belief that investigators are primed to accept uncorroborated statements without checking and comparing with all the other evidence available to them in the case they are working.

Nothing is ever accepted at face value.  Checks and balances would have been carried out on the information held by Helge Busching and its credibility assessed.

To think and say otherwise is extremely desperate and naive.

The big mystery is the motivation of some.  Very obvious lies about dreadlocks and cartoons are deemed irrefutable when announced to the media by one criminal - but evidence given privately to the police by another who is not seeking publicity and notoriety is immediately pounced on for ridicule.  All because the lie at the heart of their belief system is challenged and demolished.

Who found the video of Brueckner without dreadlocks and cartoons is what I want to know?

However, ultimately none of this is of any importance.  Our opinions are worthless.

But why did Amaral try to pull this stunt?  We all know by now that he is nearly brainless, but can he be this stupid?  Or was there a hidden agenda?

The whole of Portugal was ruled for many years by a corrupt PJ who terrified The Common People with torture and other such medieval practices, but they missed the ball when they tried it on a British Citizen and another supposedly helpless woman.  Which is why the likes of me are still here.

[Wonderfulspam]

Yes yes.
Amaral should be in prison for attempting to pervert the course of justice.
In fact, I think it's more likely Amaral will be convicted for that, than Brueckner ever being charged with anything in relation to Madeleine's disappeance.

[G-Unit]

You are correct, Anthro.

Three consenting adults; certainly not boatloads!  OK he shouldn't have, but the Greek authorities made him pay for his crime.

Reading between the lines of his alleged assault on a homeless woman. I think it is possible that there was more to that than meets the eye too.

But whatever, it is repeated that he did make the attempt to bring the information he had to the attention of the Portuguese police at the time.  But he was ignored.

Snip
Further investigation found that the German in question living in France had been arrested in 2011 in Igoumenitsa when he tried to transport three illegal immigrants from Africa in his car.

A case was filed against him and he was then released. But he did not appear in court and was arrested in 2015 in Thessaloniki when he had come back to Greece on holiday. He was taken to court where he was sentenced to seven years and five months in prison. In another document of the Hellenic Police drafted on July 20, 2017, it was noted that this German had been imprisoned on April 9, 2015 in Chania and had been using since October 2016 a mobile phone whose owner appeared to be a Bulgarian woman living in a lane on Liosion Street.

Finally, the 50-year-old was released from the prison of Chania in the summer of 2017 and immediately seems to have met in our country with a team of the British Police. The 50-year-old was reportedly in Portugal in May 2007 and was in a nearby location from Madeleine's disappearance site. In fact, he had contacted the local police at the time without his reports being taken seriously, as was the case with other similar information that has now been reassessed.

The 50-year-old stayed in Lamia a while after his release from prison, continuing to have contacts with English police officers. A few months later he appeared in a court in Corfu in the smuggling case and then allegedly departed from Greece in an unknown direction.
https://www.ieidiseis.gr/kosmos/item/47554-eksafanisi-mantlin-makkan-i-skotlant-giarnt-ekane-erevnes-kai-stin-ellada-gia-germano-poiniko

So he was arrested for trafficking in 2011, but failed to turn up to face the charges and left for France (probably). He returned to Greece for a holiday in 2015, was re-arrested and sentenced to seven years and five months in prison. So he was wanted in Greece for four years.

I wonder why he was imprisoned in Chania in April 2015? Was this a different case? Interestingly the UK press were reporting that Op Grange detectives were in Bulgaria in 2017 looking for a woman. Was this connected? Maybe they weren't looking for a woman connected to the Ocean Club, but for one connected to Busching.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4843610/madeleine-mccann-woman-in-purple-bulgaria/

[Eleanor]

So he was arrested for trafficking in 2011, but failed to turn up to face the charges and left for France (probably). He returned to Greece for a holiday in 2015, was re-arrested and sentenced to seven years and five months in prison. So he was wanted in Greece for four years.

I wonder why he was imprisoned in Chania in April 2015? Was this a different case? Interestingly the UK press were reporting that Op Grange detectives were in Bulgaria in 2017 looking for a woman. Was this connected? Maybe they weren't looking for a woman connected to the Ocean Club, but for one connected to Busching.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4843610/madeleine-mccann-woman-in-purple-bulgaria/

You crease me sometimes.  Personally, I think that you are quite a nice and ordinary woman who overcame emotional problems.  But then turned your spite on others who were more fortunate.  Spite is such a bad and negative thing, but only for yourself.  You actually aren't capable of harming The McCanns.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Frankly, I don't care whether Busching received lenient treatment or payment  for his information or not - we know it's a tactic police use, but usually to solve a crime they are investigating and desperate to solve themselves.  I don't think the Greek police stood to gain much from incentivising Busching to invent a cock and bull story about a missing English child who never even set foot in their own country, in the vague hope that one day they may, just possibly, receive some credit for their part in the crime being solved.

No, I'm more interested in getting explanations to the following questions from those who believe Busching invented all the claims he has made re: Bruckner.

Firstly - why Bruckner?  What did he do to deserve to be treated in this way by his old mate?
Secondly - at what point did Busching rope in Seyferth to back up his invented stories about the rape and about Madeleine and why?
Thirdly - why did Seyferth go along with the deception?  What was in it for him?
Fourthly - why did Seyferth (having gone along with the deception) then given an account of the rape which differed to that which Busching had allegedly invented, and why bad mouth him at a later date to the press ("he'd do anything for the money")?
Fifthly - how, having allegedly falsely accused Bruckner of committing rapes, was a hair matching Bruckner's found at the scene of a rape which bore many of the hallmarks of the rapes as described by B & S on the videos?  Was it pure coincidence?  Did they somehow manage to plant the hair there so that years later they could dob their old mate in it? 

I'm sure more questions will occur to me in time, but those will do for now.