Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!

[faithlilly]

All an act

I don't think so Peter. Jane must have been mortified by the off-handed way her recollection was dismissed. Of course the audience never did hear that there was another witness who had the same recollection. Strange that eh ?

[Alfred R Jones]

I have no idea who did or did not know what on the night of the 3rd of May or subsequent days but what I do know, from experience, is that Jane could not have walked Gerry and Jez in noisy flip flops on such a narrow pavement.

If you can prove otherwise I'm all ears.

OK, let's rendezvous in PdL a week tomorrow to conduct a reconstruction but first you must ask Jane Tanner if you can borrow the very same flip flops she wore that night (otherwise the exercise will be pointless) and we will take it in turns to walk up the street wearing them (though I must warn you I may struggle to get my feet into them). 

[Brietta]

The reconstruction would have proved this. I assume that's why it never took place.

I think you would have to ask Dr Amaral about that one.  He was the one who failed to hold a reconstruction at an early stage in the investigation apparently because the air space would have to be closed.

[pathfinder73]

OK, let's rendezvous in PdL a week tomorrow to conduct a reconstruction but first you must ask Jane Tanner if you can borrow the very same flip flops she wore that night (otherwise the exercise will be pointless) and we will take it in turns to walk up the street wearing them (though I must warn you I may struggle to get my feet into them). 

Never mind talking about it DO IT. Get any 3 people back on that quiet street at the exact time and location with the street light situated right behind them. Put the person (Jez) with a child in a buggy on the road allegedly but maybe he wasn't checking both ways for cars  8-)(--) Get a person in flip flops to come past them within a few feet and let's see if it's possible to pass without being noticed. Jez said he could see clearly and would notice that person in the purple top that he couldn't miss at a much further distance at 8.30.

Lie detector for all 3 me thinks but who would say No?

[faithlilly]

OK, let's rendezvous in PdL a week tomorrow to conduct a reconstruction but first you must ask Jane Tanner if you can borrow the very same flip flops she wore that night (otherwise the exercise will be pointless) and we will take it in turns to walk up the street wearing them (though I must warn you I may struggle to get my feet into them).

The PJ couldn't get Jane out there, even if it helped find Madeleine. What chance do you think we have asking to borrow her flip flops ?

[faithlilly]

She would have been fully aware that her recollection of where Gerry and Jes were standing was to be dismissed having read the script beforehand.  They're are fully aware that her story is a crock of shit (as was Oldfield's check from inside the apartment and Kates discovery) which is why they concentrated on those aspects of the fabricated timelines and ignored the genuine recollections of Jes.  Did I mention how they also changed the description of the carrying style described by the Smith family to match that of the fabricated sighting by Jane.

And not forgetting the clothes he was wearing and length of his hair !

[Cornelius]

What is beyond doubt is that were Gerry and Jez where Gerry says they were, Jane would have been in their field of vision longer than if they been on the side of the road Jane thought they were on initially.
Unless of course Gerry and Jez were facing the east wall chatting like two blokes at a urinal.

[sadie]

Let's call a spade a spade.

 I have viewed all the graphics on this forum 'proving' JT could have passed by Gerry and Jez without being seen, they are, perhaps, convincing if you have never actually been to PDL and walked the same street at the same time of night. I however have and I can tell you two things with absolute certainty:

1.JT could not have walked by the chatterers with flip flops on and not be heard. I have tried it, heard the sound they make ( the expensive kind ) and can assure you it is simply not possible.
2. Even if Jez was partially on the road with the pram while talking to Gerry there is simply not enough room for Jane to pass by unobserved.

Jane and Gerry are [moderated] and that is simply not open to question. The real conundrum is why ?

I am sorry Faith but you are wrong. 

1.  I too have had both types of so called flip flops.  With the expensive type it is quite easy to walk pretty near silently if they are a good fit, cos they don't flip flop at all.  If not such a good fit then all you need to do is curl your toes a little to create a pushing force which ensures the soles remain close to your feet and then again there is virtually no sound. 

Jane is a cultured type of woman.  She would not wish to disturb a conversation as she has already said.  She would walk past as quietly as possible and if she wore good quality flip flops they would be near silent.

Why is everyone trying to make Jane into somone who is not telling the truth?

2.  The pavement is over 2 metres wide at that point.   Wider still if they were actually on the bend where the wall curves back into the alleyway.
Only Gerry stood on the pavement.  What nonsense that Jane couldn't have passed.  Of course there was room and plenty  of it.  Maybe you were mistaken and thought that Jez and the pushchair were also on the Pavement?  Well according to the statements and the Cutting Edge video they weren't.  They were in the road.

Plenty of room for Jane to pass ... over 1.5 metres if Gerry was on the edge of the pavement as reported.

[sadie]

Sorry to hear you are not well Sadie. Here's hoping you feel better soon. 

I am OKish thank you John but not up to heavy posts.  OKish until my eyes start streaming again and my vision fades a bit.

[sadie]

There are two postulations
A. That JT saw a man carrying a child (TRUE IMO).
B. That the child JT saw was the missing child (FALSE IMO).

Re B.  What brings you to that conclusion Pegasus?

[pathfinder73]

I am sorry Faith but you are wrong. 

1.  I too have had both types of so called flip flops.  With the expensive type it is quite easy to walk pretty near silently if they are a good fit, cos they don't flip flop at all.  If not such a good fit then all you need to do is curl your toes a little to create a pushing force which ensures the soles remain close to your feet and then again there is virtually no sound. 

Jane is a cultured type of woman.  She would not wish to disturb a conversation as she has already said.  She would walk past as quietly as possible and if she wore good quality flip flops they would be near silent.

Why is everyone trying to make Jane [moderated]

2.  The pavement is over 2 metres wide at that point.   Wider still if they were actually on the bend where the wall curves back into the alleyway.
Only Gerry stood on the pavement.  What nonsense that Jane couldn't have passed.  Of course there was room and plenty  of it.  Maybe you were mistaken and thought that Jez and the pushchair were also on the Pavement?  Well according to the statements and the Cutting Edge video they weren't.  They were in the road.

Plenty of room for Jane to pass ... over 1.5 metres if Gerry was on the edge of the pavement as reported.

"I couldn’t walk that quickly because I’d got these silly flip-flops on and I couldn’t walk that, that well in them." (Jane Tanner Rog)

Sadie, do they sound like they're good quality silent flip flops? And she was walking slowly so more chance of spotting her.

[sadie]

Jane was humiliated. I suspect I would cry too if I had travelled all that way just to be undermined by the very person I was trying to help.

Just listen to the words before she cries Faith.

Nothing to do with Gerry; all to do with her missing the significance of what she witnessed at the time and the realisation that she could have prevented Tannerman getting away and Madeleine being abducted.

http://youtu.be/atfDV7imHHY

Then watch from 11.15

11.54  Jane "Why the hell didn't you think (about herself) then....

"....there was only one person who could have stopped anything ...."   

"If .., if ......if ....."   



Poor tortured woman, and you are trying to make her [moderated]  Come on Faith, I thought better of you than that.  Carry on watching her deep distress.  She blames herself, poor woman.

Then watch her crying @ about 12.26 .  The tears running down her face.   See if you disbelieve her sincerity.   Even AnnGuedes has said she believes Jane, and Pegasus.


Why dont you believe what she says?     

Jane was there, remember... and you weren't.

[sadie]

"I couldn’t walk that quickly because I’d got these silly flip-flops on and I couldn’t walk that, that well in them." (Jane Tanner Rog)

Sadie, do they sound like they're good quality silent flip flops? And she was walking slowly so more chance of spotting her.

I have had both sorts, expensive and cheapos.  The cheapos were more comfortable tbh.

With the expensive ones they kept wanting to mal-align themselves with the soles of my feet and I had to continually grip them with my toes.  They only lasted the one holiday and soon got thrown away cos they were so damned awkward.  Oh and I walked slowly in them too, cos when your toes are stressed you do.    They were very near silent, I was gripping them with my toes

They were having dinner FGS.  Most peeps would not go to dinner in cheapo plastic/rubber flip flops, they would present themselves a little better, I think... especially professionals with good incomes.     I am not a proud person but I always make sure I am clean and decently dressed for dinner in a restuarant with a group of friends .... and that includes decent shoes.

[sadie]

All an act

How perceptive ..NOT !

[sadie]

I have no idea who did or did not know what on the night of the 3rd of May or subsequent days but what I do know, from experience, is that Jane could not have walked Gerry and Jez in noisy flip flops on such a narrow pavement.

If you can prove otherwise I'm all ears.

I have just proved it in the posts above.