Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!

[sadie]

I don't think so Peter. Jane must have been mortified by the off-handed way her recollection was dismissed. Of course the audience never did hear that there was another witness who had the same recollection. Strange that eh ?

Could you please point me to the other witness who had the same recollection, or are you referring to Jez agreeing with Jane about where they stood?

[pathfinder73]

I have just proved it in the posts above.

What have you proved? That you were wrong and Jane wasn't wearing good quality silent flip flops?

[sadie]

I think you would have to ask Dr Amaral about that one.  He was the one who failed to hold a reconstruction at an early stage in the investigation apparently because the air space would have to be closed.

Actually any reconstruction would have proved just how much space there was on that over 2 metre wide pavement for Jane to pass Gerryand Jez (in the road with the push chair) .... and could have proved that the noise from her probably high quality flip flops was minimal

[pathfinder73]

Actually any reconstruction would have proved just how much space there was on that over 2 metre wide pavement for Jane to pass Gerryand Jez (in the road with the push chair) .... and could have proved that the noise from her probably high quality flip flops was minimal

Why do you keep on repeating like a broken record that they were high quality flip flops when Jane thought they were silly and awkward to walk in?

[faithlilly]

I am sorry Faith but you are wrong. 

1.  I too have had both types of so called flip flops.  With the expensive type it is quite easy to walk pretty near silently if they are a good fit, cos they don't flip flop at all.  If not such a good fit then all you need to do is curl your toes a little to create a pushing force which ensures the soles remain close to your feet and then again there is virtually no sound. 

Jane is a cultured type of woman.  She would not wish to disturb a conversation as she has already said.  She would walk past as quietly as possible and if she wore good quality flip flops they would be near silent.

Why is everyone trying to make Jane [moderated]

2.  The pavement is over 2 metres wide at that point.   Wider still if they were actually on the bend where the wall curves back into the alleyway.
Only Gerry stood on the pavement.  What nonsense that Jane couldn't have passed.  Of course there was room and plenty  of it.  Maybe you were mistaken and thought that Jez and the pushchair were also on the Pavement?  Well according to the statements and the Cutting Edge video they weren't.  They were in the road.

Plenty of room for Jane to pass ... over 1.5 metres if Gerry was on the edge of the pavement as reported.

Firstly Jane's flip flops seem not to be the expensive kind but rather ill-fitting and cheap if her rogatory statement is anything to go by :

'Erm, yeah, and I’d got cropped trousers on and just flip-flops, so I can remember sort of walking, I couldn’t walk that quickly because I’d got these silly flip-flops on and I couldn’t walk that, that well in them, so to speak.  Erm, and I walked, I was walking up the road and I can’t remember exactly'.

As a matter of interest where does your measurement for the pavement come from ?

[slartibartfast]

As a matter of interest where does your measurement for the pavement come from ?

Wherever it suits I think...

[faithlilly]

Just listen to the words before she cries Faith.

Nothing to do with Gerry; all to do with her missing the significance of what she witnessed at the time and the realisation that she could have prevented Tannerman getting away and Madeleine being abducted.

http://youtu.be/atfDV7imHHY

Then watch from 11.15

11.54  Jane "Why the hell didn't you think (about herself) then....

"....there was only one person who could have stopped anything ...."   

"If .., if ......if ....."   



Poor tortured woman, and you are trying to make her [moderated]   Come on Faith, I thought better of you than that.  Carry on watching her deep distress.  She blames herself, poor woman.

Then watch her crying @ about 12.26 .  The tears running down her face.   See if you disbelieve her sincerity.   Even AnnGuedes has said she believes Jane, and Pegasus.


Why dont you believe what she says?     

Jane was there, remember... and you weren't.

I don't disbelieve her sincerity sadie. I do believe she sincerely felt humiliated.

[sadie]

Never mind talking about it DO IT. Get any 3 people back on that quiet street at the exact time and location with the street light situated right behind them. Put the person (Jez) with a child in a buggy on the road allegedly but maybe he wasn't checking both ways for cars  8-)(--) Get a person in flip flops to come past them within a few feet and let's see if it's possible to pass without being noticed. Jez said he could see clearly and would notice that person in the purple top that he couldn't miss at a much further distance at 8.30.

Lie detector for all 3 me thinks but who would say No?

Nice thought Pathfinder but it can be proven using your brain.  2 metres = approximately 6'6".  Just Gerry on the pavement
Depth of his body = 0.5 metre at the maximum

That leaves 1.5 metres ( almost 5 feet) for Jane.  I think she could gert thru there pretty easily, dont you?

Gerry was looking in a generally westerly direction at Jez and his baby.  Probably  WNW for Jez and WSW for the baby.

The entire journey that Jane walked was to the south, the east or the north of Gerry and Jez. 
-  She was out of Gerrys line of vision. 
-  Jez did not know her and had little reason to remember her, especially as he was engrossed in talking with Gerry.


Heriberto Janosch, an expert, says this about lines of vision: That you can only see at an angle of up to 45* from the direction you are looking in ... and that is periferal vision.. 

He wrote about it on here and I tried to find it, but couldn't .  I have just spoken to him in Spain and he is very busy today at a conference but he confirmed the 45* maximum periferal vision to each side.



In other words Jane was OUTSIDE GERRYS PERIFERAL VISION.  No way could he have seen her.

                                                            Full stop.

[slartibartfast]

Nice thought Pathfinder but it can be proven using your brain.  2 metres = approximately 6'6".  Just Gerry on the pavement
Depth of his body = 0.5 metre at the maximum

That leaves 1.5 metres ( almost 5 feet) for Jane.  I think she could gert thru there pretty easily, dont you?

So Gerry teetering on the edge of the pavement being unaware of someone passing within 0.5 metres assuming Jane wasn't inching her way past against the wall.  8-)(--)

[sadie]

So Gerry teetering on the edge of the pavement being unaware of someone passing within 0.5 metres assuming Jane wasn't inching her way past against the wall.  8-)(--)

Rubbish Slarti

No need for Gerry to teeter  and no need for Jane to inch her way past.  There was free pavement about 5 feet wide for Jane to walk thru.  Why are you exaggerating? 

Dont you like the truth?

[faithlilly]

Nice thought Pathfinder but it can be proven using your brain.  2 metres = approximately 6'6".  Just Gerry on the pavement
Depth of his body = 0.5 metre at the maximum

That leaves 1.5 metres ( almost 5 feet) for Jane.  I think she could gert thru there pretty easily, dont you?

Gerry was looking in a generally westerly direction at Jez and his baby.  Probably  WNW for Jez and WSW for the baby.

The entire journey that Jane walked was to the south, the east or the north of Gerry and Jez. 
-  She was out of Gerrys line of vision. 
-  Jez did not know her and had little reason to remember her, especially as he was engrossed in talking with Gerry.


Heriberto, an expert, says this about lines of vision: That you can only see at an angle of up to 45* from the direction you are looking in and that is periferal vision.. 

He wrote about it on here and I tried to find it, but couldn't .  I have just spoken to him in Spain and he is very busy today at a conference but he confirmed the 45* maximum periferal vision to the both sides



In other words Jane was OUTSIDE GERRYS PERIFERAL VISION.  No way could he have seen her.

                             

                              Full stop.

Sadie, where does the 6.6 ft come from ?

As to Jez not knowing Jane and therefore not remembering her, are you actually putting that forward as an explanation ? Jez knew Jane well enough to know she was part of the tapas group, he says so in his rogatory interview and as to being 'engrossed' in his conversation, where exactly does Jez say that ?

[faithlilly]

Rubbish Slarti

No need for Gerry to teeter  and no need for Jane to inch her way past.  There was free pavement about 5 feet wide for Jane to walk thru.  Why are you exaggerating? 

Dont you like the truth?

It seems you don't sadie.

[sadie]

Why do you keep on repeating like a broken record that they were high quality flip flops when Jane thought they were silly and awkward to walk in?

The likelyhood is that they are high quality.  She is a Doctors/ consultants partner and she also has a high flying job herself.  No shortage of money to buy good stuff.

And at dinner in a restaurant in the evening.  Most peeps dress up a bit for that.

My high quality ones were not at all comfortable, nor easy to walk in,.  I had to screw my toes into the sole to keep them in order ... but they were pretty near silent! 

Why shouldn't I say it?

[pathfinder73]

Nice thought Pathfinder but it can be proven using your brain.  2 metres = approximately 6'6".  Just Gerry on the pavement
Depth of his body = 0.5 metre at the maximum

That leaves 1.5 metres ( almost 5 feet) for Jane.  I think she could gert thru there pretty easily, dont you?

Gerry was looking in a generally westerly direction at Jez and his baby.  Probably  WNW for Jez and WSW for the baby.

The entire journey that Jane walked was to the south, the east or the north of Gerry and Jez. 
-  She was out of Gerrys line of vision. 
-  Jez did not know her and had little reason to remember her, especially as he was engrossed in talking with Gerry.


Heriberto, an expert, says this about lines of vision: That you can only see at an angle of up to 45* from the direction you are looking in and that is periferal vision.. 

He wrote about it on here and I tried to find it, but couldn't .  I have just spoken to him in Spain and he is very busy today at a conference but he confirmed the 45* maximum periferal vision to the both sides



In other words Jane was OUTSIDE GERRYS PERIFERAL VISION.  No way could he have seen her.

                                                            Full stop.

 





http://www.mccannfiles.com/id237.html

C4 Cutting Edge: 'Madeleine Was Here'

[sadie]

Sadie, where does the 6.6 ft come from ?

As to Jez not knowing Jane and therefore not remembering her, are you actually putting that forward as an explanation ? Jez knew Jane well enough to know she was part of the tapas group, he says so in his rogatory interview and as to being 'engrossed' in his conversation, where exactly does Jez say that ?

2 metres measured on Google earth.  Zoom right in.  I did it a few days ago, so from memory but am pretty sure I have remembered it OK.  Please correct me if I am wrong.

Not 6.6 feet Faith , but 6'6".  That equates to 6.5 feet.