Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!

[icabodcrane]

Gerry was looking in a generally westerly direction at Jez and his baby.  Probably  WNW for Jez and WSW for the baby.

The entire journey that Jane walked was to the south, the east or the north of Gerry and Jez. 
-  She was out of Gerrys line of vision. 
-  Jez did not know her and had little reason to remember her, especially as he was engrossed in talking with Gerry.


Heriberto Janosch, an expert, says this about lines of vision: That you can only see at an angle of up to 45* from the direction you are looking in ... and that is periferal vision.. 

He wrote about it on here and I tried to find it, but couldn't .  I have just spoken to him in Spain and he is very busy today at a conference but he confirmed the 45* maximum periferal vision to each side.



In other words Jane was OUTSIDE GERRYS PERIFERAL VISION.  No way could he have seen her.

                                                            Full stop.

This is bunkum

Here's a little experiment you can carry out right now as you read this post

Your computer is about a foot away from you and you are are focussed directly on the screen reading these words

Now

Notice how much else is in your periferal line of vision

Notice how it would be impossible for anyone to pass close to your  'direct point of vision'   ( your computer ) without you being aware

[sadie]

You obviously dont understand perspective and foreshortening, Pathfinder. 

I used to teach it. 




Check it on GEarth.  Make sure that I am remembering correctly.

[Cariad]

The likelyhood is that they are high quality.  She is a Doctors/ consultants partner and she also has a high flying job herself.  No shortage of money to buy good stuff.

And at dinner in a restaurant in the evening.  Most peeps dress up a bit for that.

My high quality ones were not at all comfortable, nor easy to walk in,.  I had to screw my toes into the sole to keep them in order ... but they were pretty near silent! 

Why shouldn't I say it?

All this talk about quality flip flops is a bit redundant isn't it? All foot wear makes some noise. Unless you were actively trying not to be heard, it's highly unlikely that you wouldn't be.

[faithlilly]

The likelyhood is that they are high quality.  She is a Doctors/ consultants partner and she also has a high flying job herself.  No shortage of money to buy good stuff.

And at dinner in a restaurant in the evening.  Most peeps dress up a bit for that.

My high quality ones were not at all comfortable, nor easy to walk in,.  I had to screw my toes into the sole to keep them in order ... but they were pretty near silent! 

Why shouldn't I say it?

Kate and Gerry were both doctors with good incomes yet Kate describes getting clothes for Madeleine from Monsoon or Gap, not high-end stores by any stretch of the imagination, as an 'extravagance'.

Good incomes does not necessarily mean they are big spenders.

[faithlilly]

2 metres measured on Google earth.  Zoom right in.  I did it a few days ago, so from memory but am pretty sure I have remembered it OK.  Please correct me if I am wrong.

Not 6.6 feet Faith , but 6'6".  That equates to 6.5 feet.

Measured on google earth ? Really ?

[faithlilly]

All this talk about quality flip flops is a bit redundant isn't it? All foot wear makes some noise. Unless you were actively trying not to be heard, it's highly unlikely that you wouldn't be.

Good point.

[sadie]

This is bunkum

Here's a little experiment you can carry out right now as you read this post

Your computer is about a foot away from you and you are are focussed directly on the screen reading these words

Now

Notice how much else is in your periferal line of vision

Notice how it would be impossible for anyone to pass close to your  'direct point of vision'   ( your computer ) without you being aware

Well that is what Heri just told me.

Anyway if we are going to get down to the nitty gritty, Jane was never closer than 67.5 degrees to Gerrys line of vision cos he was looking in an ESE direction when he was looking at the baby    Kate was in a Southerly direction as she left the Tapas reception and that gradually changed to an easterly direction.(behind him)

Work that out, Icabod !

 .... and the same when she had passed Gerry, except that he was looking in an  ENE direction when speaking to Jez and Jane gradually moved from behind him into a Northerly direction.

So once again Jane was always at least 67.5* to Gerrys line of vision when talking to Jez.  Way beyond his periferal vision!


BOTH SIDES ARE WELL BEYOND HIS PERIFERAL VISION .... Sorry Icabod



And  to Jane and Gerry   

[sadie]

Measured on google earth ? Really ?

What's wrong with that?


I've been there too


I've been there and assessed

[pathfinder73]

There's only one reason for any lie and that is for an alibi - somebody was not there at 9.10 but somewhere else.

[Alfred R Jones]

This is bunkum

Here's a little experiment you can carry out right now as you read this post

Your computer is about a foot away from you and you are are focussed directly on the screen reading these words

Now

Notice how much else is in your periferal line of vision

Notice how it would be impossible for anyone to pass close to your  'direct point of vision'   ( your computer ) without you being aware

Believe me, it would be possible for all manner of things to be going on around me without me noticing whilst I am deep in concentration on my computer.  The only thing that would distract me would be the phone ringing, someone calling my name or a loud noise like a knock at the door, or a child shouting.  You can have things in your line of vision without consciously registering them, or making a mental note to remember them later. 

[pathfinder73]

Believe me, it would be possible for all manner of things to be going on around me without me noticing whilst I am deep in concentration on my computer.  The only thing that would distract me would be the phone ringing, someone calling my name or a loud noise like a knock at the door, or a child shouting.  You can have things in your line of vision without consciously registering them, or making a mental note to remember them later. 

BS we all have peripheral vision - that's why we will catch movements out of the corner of our eye without even looking for them. Jez had a child in a pram so he is going be aware of his surroundings and especially if he was on the road.

[Alfred R Jones]

There's only one reason for any lie and that is for an alibi - somebody was not there at 9.10 but somewhere else.

What time did Jez Wilkins meet with Gerry then?  Was Gerry behaving suspiciously according to Jez?  Was there anything in Jez's statement that tends to support the idea that Gerry had or was about to commit a terrible act?

[Alfred R Jones]

BS we all have peripheral vision - that's why we will catch movements out of the corner of our eye without even looking for them. Jez had a child in a pram so he is going be aware of his surroundings and especially if he was on the road.

Really?  So he was hyper alert at that time was he?  He must have been able to pick up an awful lot of detail of that meeting then, so what does he have to say about his meeting with Gerry?  What time was it?  Was Gerry agitated in his view?

[pathfinder73]

What time did Jez Wilkins meet with Gerry then?  Was Gerry behaving suspiciously according to Jez?  Was there anything in Jez's statement that tends to support the idea that Gerry had or was about to commit a terrible act?

Clue - flowerbed cadaver scent. How did it get there?

[Alfred R Jones]

Clue - flowerbed cadaver scent. How did it get there?

I don't know - what are you  suggesting?  Why was the flowerbed not forensically tested?