Gerry and Jez chat while Jane walks by. Seconds later she spots Tannerman!

[pathfinder73]

"I can affirm without any reservation that Gerry's behaviour was absolutely normal. He was not preoccupied and conversed and appeared relaxed." (JW rog)

This IMO absolutely rules out all those hypotheses of a discovery in the apartment or garden, a few minutes before the chat, of an accident. The completely normal behaviour makes that impossible. The discrepancy about one claimed position of a chat remains, but must have a different explanation.

I don't believe an accident happened in the garden when both dogs alerted inside but Madeleine did come out of that apartment.

[pegasus]

I don't believe an accident happened in the garden when both dogs alerted inside but Madeleine did come out of that apartment.

IMO the completely normal behaviour during the chat is valuable information which rules out all the assorted theories which hypothesise any sort of discovery before that timepoint.

[pathfinder73]

IMO the completely normal behaviour during the chat is valuable information which rules out all the assorted theories which hypothesise any sort of discovery before that timepoint.

Many other cases prove this not to be so.

[G-Unit]

Many other cases prove this not to be so.

Chilling CCTV footage of killer Arnis Zalkalns shows him laughing as he buys two cans of lager just minutes after he is believed to have murdered her.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sickening-cctv-shows-alice-gross-5050275

[pathfinder73]

Chilling CCTV footage of killer Arnis Zalkalns shows him laughing as he buys two cans of lager just minutes after he is believed to have murdered her.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sickening-cctv-shows-alice-gross-5050275

Exactly thanks GUnit. Nothing is set in stone when it comes to the workings of the individual human mind and coping mechanisms such as laughing and joking which seem abnormal to many.

[faithlilly]

IMO the completely normal behaviour during the chat is valuable information which rules out all the assorted theories which hypothesise any sort of discovery before that timepoint.

What if the chat happened before the check. Did Jez say he categorically saw Gerry leave the gate ?

[pegasus]

Chilling CCTV footage of killer Arnis Zalkalns shows him laughing as he buys two cans of lager just minutes after he is believed to have murdered her.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sickening-cctv-shows-alice-gross-5050275

Yes I'm aware of cases like that, for example the case where someone popped into a supermarket in Bristol to buy a packet of crisis crisps, or the case where someone sat down in the local pub in a Gloucs village for a relaxing glass of whisky. However IMO the completely normal behaviour during the chat was real not acted.

[pegasus]

What if the chat happened before the check. Did Jez say he categorically saw Gerry leave the gate ?

Not categorically.

[pegasus]

Was there a media interview which says that, on seeing J, G decided initially to not chat?
Or am I misremembering?

[pathfinder73]

Yes I'm aware of cases like that, for example the case where someone popped into a supermarket in Bristol to buy a packet of crisis crisps, or the case where someone sat down in the local pub in a Gloucs village for a relaxing glass of whisky. However IMO the completely normal behaviour during the chat was real not acted.

Last independent sighting was not at 9:10.

[pegasus]

Last independent sighting was not at 9:10.

The last claimed sighting in 5A was at about 9.10pm and was by only one witness, so obviously there is no way to verify it independently.
Before that, the last sighting was at about 7.15pm and was by two witnesses, so that is doubly-independently verified.

[pathfinder73]

The last claimed sighting in 5A was at about 9.10pm and was by only one witness, so obviously there is no way to verify it independently.
Before that, the last sighting was at about 7.15pm and was by two witnesses, so that is doubly-independently verified.

They are not independent witnesses.

[pegasus]

They are not independent witnesses.

But at about 7.15pm there were two witnesses simultaneously, not just one witness.
Please note they are two separate witnesses, each with own independent brain, and own independent memory bank.
Both individuals independently stated definitely, in separate properly conducted police interviews, without the other witness present at the interview, that they saw the child in the lounge at at about 7.15pm. It is most unlikely that two witnesses could both misremember the same event.
Therefore the 7.15pm sighting of the child by two witnesses simultaneously certainly did happen IMO.

[mercury]

But at about 7.15pm there were two witnesses simultaneously, not just one witness.
Please note they are two separate witnesses, each with own independent brain, and own independent memory bank.
Both individuals independently stated definitely, in separate properly conducted police interviews, without the other witness present at the interview, that they saw the child in the lounge at at about 7.15pm. It is most unlikely that two witnesses could both misremember the same event.
Therefore the 7.15pm sighting of the child by two witnesses simultaneously certainly did happen IMO.

But they are not disparate or  independent witnesses at any stretch

[G-Unit]

But at about 7.15pm there were two witnesses simultaneously, not just one witness.
Please note they are two separate witnesses, each with own independent brain, and own independent memory bank.
Both individuals independently stated definitely, in separate properly conducted police interviews, without the other witness present at the interview, that they saw the child in the lounge at at about 7.15pm. It is most unlikely that two witnesses could both misremember the same event.
Therefore the 7.15pm sighting of the child by two witnesses simultaneously certainly did happen IMO.

Afraid not, pegasus;

Gerry had asked João Carlos if he could be allowed to stay with me while I was questioned because he was extremely worried about my psychological state. I was grateful to João Carlos for agreeing, with the proviso that Gerry remained seated behind me.......Every now and then Gerry would put a hand on my shoulder or give me a reassuring squeeze.
Kate McCann; Madeleine