Any news on JB's 2025 CCRC application?

[colsville]

Anyone know how Jeremy Bamber's CCRC application is going?

I randomly searched the Guardian Website today, and it turns out that only yesterday (17 Apr)  They were saying that the results from the CCRC were to ne made public...at least that's how I interpreted the words of the Guardian journalist Simon Hattenstone.

As we know, Simon Hattenstone, along with the now dead eric allison, has promoted Jeremy Bambers faked evidence and relentless lies, over the last 15 - 20 years, as truth. 

So nothing that Simon Hattenstone says can be trusted.

Of course, Bambers application will be thrown out, as all information published by Simon Hattenstone and other Jeremy Bamber supporters regarding this current application, has pointed to the 'new evidence' being nothing of the sort, and is actually a re-hash of what's gone before.

And even what has gone before was never actually new evidence or even evidence at all.

And we know what the CCRC said about that last application in 2012...Let's just remind ourselves:

Quoted from the Independant newspaper:

Giving its reasons in a 109-page statement, it said: "Matters of pure speculation or unsubstantiated allegation constitute neither new evidence nor new argument capable of giving rise to a real possibility that the Court of Appeal will quash a conviction.

"Neither can such a real possibility arise from the accumulation of multiple unsubstantiated allegations.

"The Commission is satisfied that nothing in the submissions made by and on behalf of Mr Bamber or any issues raised in the recent documentary can, either individually or cumulatively, give rise to a real possibility that the Court of Appeal would find any of Mr Bamber's convictions to be unsafe."

And the current application seems to be a re-submission of the previous application, just submitting physically different pieces of paper, to try and justify it being 'new evidence'.

Obviously Jeremy Bambers hopeless and hapless campaign team will go quiet on this when the decision goes against him...and pretty much everything they do now is clouded in a fuggy haze of deception and misdirection anyway.

So does anyone out there have any actual facts as to what's going on?

[John]

I don't think anything has changed, certainly there is no new evidence being produced which speaks for itself.

I'm afraid an all life term means exactly that for dear Jeremy.

[Joe Blogs]

So you dont believe the Aga burned Nevills back then, John?

[The General]

So you dont believe the Aga burned Nevills back then, John?

I doubt Sheila wrestled Big Nev to the ground and overpowered him, with her being 7st wet through.

[John]

I doubt Sheila wrestled Big Nev to the ground and overpowered him, with her being 7st wet through.

Absolutely no way indeed.

[Joe Blogs]

I doubt Sheila wrestled Big Nev to the ground and overpowered him, with her being 7st wet through.

So what do you think burned Nevills back then,General?

[The General]

So what do you think burned Nevills back then,General?

Well, I haven't been down this rabbit hole for quite some time, but it was August, so why was the aga used? To boil a kettle? Big Nev usually had a G&T if memory serves.
Was it warm to the touch upon entry?
What did the burn look like? Where exactly was it?
All relevant questions if you can answer my question - how did Sheila overpower Nev? It wasn't coersion, as a serious struggle had taken place and she had a fresh looking nighty on.
Chronologically you need to answer my question first.

[Joe Blogs]

Well, I haven't been down this rabbit hole for quite some time, but it was August, so why was the aga used? To boil a kettle? Big Nev usually had a G&T if memory serves.
Was it warm to the touch upon entry?
What did the burn look like? Where exactly was it?
All relevant questions if you can answer my question - how did Sheila overpower Nev? It wasn't coersion, as a serious struggle had taken place and she had a fresh looking nighty on.
Chronologically you need to answer my question first.

OK,i'll give you my opinion about the burns to Nevills back, General, why I think the Aga made them and how this evidence may exonerate Jeremy Bamber.
The truth is, an adequate explanation for the burns was never found, nor indeed why the killer would inflict them anyway. Torture was suggested, checking for signs of life, or simply when Nevill was frog marched to the kitchen, none of which make much logical sense really!
The marks, or two of them at least were roughly the same size as the rifle barell so it was just assumed this was what made the marks, after all, no one could come up with a better explanation at the time.
But then, after many years, Yvonne Hartley and JB himself came up with the idea that the Aga may have been responsible for the marks, after all, it was the only other source of heat in the house.
So they asked Philip Boyce to look into the possibility of the Aga burning Nevills back, and lo and behold if someone was lying on their side with their back against the Aga the handle and other protruding parts could cause burn marks remarkably similar in size and shape to those found on Nevills back.
The spacings matched too, allowing for Nevills neck jutting forward where the top larger burn was made, so could this really be coincidence? I mean, what would the odds be of someone intentionally burning Nevills back and the marks almost matching exactly those which could be inflicted by the Aga?
Surely it is far more logical that the marks occurred accidentally rather than any other suggestion that has been made?
Now to answer your other questions, General!
Yes, I believe it has been claimed that Nevill often showered and changed into his pyjamas down stairs before having a G and T in the sitting room before retiring to bed,so this may have been where he was when Sheila came down stairs to get the rifle.
Oh yes, you ask why the Aga was on! Well Yvonne explained that the Aga was on 24/7, it was the only source of heating and hot water, not sure if there was another cooker in the kitchen or not. Anyway, a lot of hot water would be needed at least with the extra guests in the house,besides, I think the temperature guage can be seen in the crime scene photos.
So, Nevill hears Sheila in the kitchen and goes to investigate, and I believe that it is at this time that he ends up lying beside the Aga burning his back!
You see, you ask how Sheila overpowered Nevill, General, and the answer is she simply took him by surprise by whacking him on the head with the butt of the rifle, so ferociously that it broke the stock of the rifle and caused fractures to Nevills skull. This may have happened quite unexpectedly after a short argument/conversation around midnight sending Nevill to the floor in front of the Aga where his back would be burned until around 3.00 when a shaken brain injured Nevill would regain conciousness and frantically phone JB before staggering up stairs.meanwhile Sheila had killed the family unhindered and Nevill would be next!
I put this theory to the JB campaign over on Twitter, needless to say they disagree, they believe Nevill was dead while lying against the Aga and was moved to the chair/scuttle upon entry.
Anyway, whatever happened, surely the Aga theory is important 'new evidence' if accepted by the CCRC?

[The General]

OK,i'll give you my opinion about the burns to Nevills back, General, why I think the Aga made them and how this evidence may exonerate Jeremy Bamber.
The truth is, an adequate explanation for the burns was never found, nor indeed why the killer would inflict them anyway. Torture was suggested, checking for signs of life, or simply when Nevill was frog marched to the kitchen, none of which make much logical sense really!
The marks, or two of them at least were roughly the same size as the rifle barell so it was just assumed this was what made the marks, after all, no one could come up with a better explanation at the time.
But then, after many years, Yvonne Hartley and JB himself came up with the idea that the Aga may have been responsible for the marks, after all, it was the only other source of heat in the house.
So they asked Philip Boyce to look into the possibility of the Aga burning Nevills back, and lo and behold if someone was lying on their side with their back against the Aga the handle and other protruding parts could cause burn marks remarkably similar in size and shape to those found on Nevills back.
The spacings matched too, allowing for Nevills neck jutting forward where the top larger burn was made, so could this really be coincidence? I mean, what would the odds be of someone intentionally burning Nevills back and the marks almost matching exactly those which could be inflicted by the Aga?
Surely it is far more logical that the marks occurred accidentally rather than any other suggestion that has been made?
Now to answer your other questions, General!
Yes, I believe it has been claimed that Nevill often showered and changed into his pyjamas down stairs before having a G and T in the sitting room before retiring to bed,so this may have been where he was when Sheila came down stairs to get the rifle.
Oh yes, you ask why the Aga was on! Well Yvonne explained that the Aga was on 24/7, it was the only source of heating and hot water, not sure if there was another cooker in the kitchen or not. Anyway, a lot of hot water would be needed at least with the extra guests in the house,besides, I think the temperature guage can be seen in the crime scene photos.
So, Nevill hears Sheila in the kitchen and goes to investigate, and I believe that it is at this time that he ends up lying beside the Aga burning his back!
You see, you ask how Sheila overpowered Nevill, General, and the answer is she simply took him by surprise by whacking him on the head with the butt of the rifle, so ferociously that it broke the stock of the rifle and caused fractures to Nevills skull. This may have happened quite unexpectedly after a short argument/conversation around midnight sending Nevill to the floor in front of the Aga where his back would be burned until around 3.00 when a shaken brain injured Nevill would regain conciousness and frantically phone JB before staggering up stairs.meanwhile Sheila had killed the family unhindered and Nevill would be next!
I put this theory to the JB campaign over on Twitter, needless to say they disagree, they believe Nevill was dead while lying against the Aga and was moved to the chair/scuttle upon entry.
Anyway, whatever happened, surely the Aga theory is important 'new evidence' if accepted by the CCRC?

Sheila surprised Nev with the butt of the rifle? This isn't the movies, kid, Sheila still couldn't summon enough leverage to make a dent in Big Nev, even blind-sided, it would be nothing more than a minor inconvenience, then he'd wrench the rifle off her and pick her up by the neck with the other hand. She was a waif, not a Bulgarian Shotputter.
Try again, this time with a remotely plausible explanation of how she managed to subdue the hulking Nev.

[Joe Blogs]

Sheila surprised Nev with the butt of the rifle? This isn't the movies, kid, Sheila still couldn't summon enough leverage to make a dent in Big Nev, even blind-sided, it would be nothing more than a minor inconvenience, then he'd wrench the rifle off her and pick her up by the neck with the other hand. She was a waif, not a Bulgarian Shotputter.
Try again, this time with a remotely plausible explanation of how she managed to subdue the hulking Nev.

OK, thanks, General!
Now you can answer my question as promised!
What do you think burned Nevills back?

[The General]

OK, thanks, General!
Now you can answer my question as promised!
What do you think burned Nevills back?

OK, it's been a while. Where's the pics?
Was the aga the only source of hot water? I can't remember.

Let's be clear - he definitely shot two wee boys at point blank range while they slept, the poor little fckers. But, given the appalling handling of the crime scene and case generally, there was a miscarriage of justice - due process was not provided in my opinion.
I hope he dies of syphillus, the horrible c..t.

[Joe Blogs]

OK, it's been a while. Where's the pics?
Was the aga the only source of hot water? I can't remember.

Let's be clear - he definitely shot two wee boys at point blank range while they slept, the poor little fckers. But, given the appalling handling of the crime scene and case generally, there was a miscarriage of justice - due process was not provided in my opinion.
I hope he dies of syphillus, the horrible c..t.

Pics of what, General? the burns on Nevills back?
You can find them in several places on the web in association with Philip Boyces Aga theory, there's a short youtube video and an extended video on a site called Bamber versus the doc maker, although you have to subscribe to that one.
The campaign team have posted on Twitter recently regarding Boyce's evidence too,oh and Yvonne Hartley did a half hour podcast a while back explaining the Aga burns in detail! So plenty out there to look at regarding the burns, General, have you seen any of it? If not, you may wish to watch some of it before deciding if Boyce is correct or not. It may change your view of the case and Jeremy Bamber!
Thing is, there isn't much point discussing scenarios where we accept the Aga burned Nevills back if you dont believe this actually happened, is there?

[APRIL]

OK, it's been a while. Where's the pics?
Was the aga the only source of hot water? I can't remember.

Let's be clear - he definitely shot two wee boys at point blank range while they slept, the poor little fckers. But, given the appalling handling of the crime scene and case generally, there was a miscarriage of justice - due process was not provided in my opinion.
I hope he dies of syphillus, the horrible c..t.

I wouldn't think so. Aga's are normally turned off during the summer months so there would need to be alternatives for hot water.

Just an aside, apropos of nothing! I can't believe that, in the middle of this current heatwave, I suspect it maybe snowing!!!

[The General]

Pics of what, General? the burns on Nevills back?
You can find them in several places on the web in association with Philip Boyces Aga theory, there's a short youtube video and an extended video on a site called Bamber versus the doc maker, although you have to subscribe to that one.
The campaign team have posted on Twitter recently regarding Boyce's evidence too,oh and Yvonne Hartley did a half hour podcast a while back explaining the Aga burns in detail! So plenty out there to look at regarding the burns, General, have you seen any of it? If not, you may wish to watch some of it before deciding if Boyce is correct or not. It may change your view of the case and Jeremy Bamber!
Thing is, there isn't much point discussing scenarios where we accept the Aga burned Nevills back if you dont believe this actually happened, is there?

Nothing will change my mind, save for some hitherto unseen groundbreaking evidence surfacing.
Nev's burns were probably incurred peri-mortem, perhaps Bamber, having subdued him sufficiently, prodded him to check if he was still alive, then turned him over and delivered a coup de grace.

Bamber mistakenly turned this in to a two person whodunnit with his dodgy phonecalls. If he'd have given it some more thought he could have introduced a third person, giving rise to reasonable doubt, but he wasn't as clever as he thought he was. Even the utterly idiotic, incompetent Essex police somehow managed to get to the truth of his simple ruse eventually. Using the rifle was a necessity, but also his undoing; he wasn't able to introduce a third party, as they wouldn't have access to it.

As an aside, that rifle is almost as long as Sheila was tall. I'm exaggerating, but wee Sheila wielding a metre long weapon weighing about 4kg that requires the casual user to aim down the barrel in the confines of those rooms - and never missed. She should have considered taking it up professionally.

[Joe Blogs]

Nothing will change my mind, save for some hitherto unseen groundbreaking evidence surfacing.
Nev's burns were probably incurred peri-mortem, perhaps Bamber, having subdued him sufficiently, prodded him to check if he was still alive, then turned him over and delivered a coup de grace.

Bamber mistakenly turned this in to a two person whodunnit with his dodgy phonecalls. If he'd have given it some more thought he could have introduced a third person, giving rise to reasonable doubt, but he wasn't as clever as he thought he was. Even the utterly idiotic, incompetent Essex police somehow managed to get to the truth of his simple ruse eventually. Using the rifle was a necessity, but also his undoing; he wasn't able to introduce a third party, as they wouldn't have access to it.

As an aside, that rifle is almost as long as Sheila was tall. I'm exaggerating, but wee Sheila wielding a metre long weapon weighing about 4kg that requires the casual user to aim down the barrel in the confines of those rooms - and never missed. She should have considered taking it up professionally.

Well Boyce's Aga theory just may be that groundbreaking evidence if you accept his findings, yet you prefer to dismiss his evidence in favour of far less logical reasons for the burns, Genaral!
If I read you correctly, Nevill was slumped over the scuttle in the kitchen, motionless, after being shot in the face and body, and was dying or dead, and that rather than make sure with a head shot like the other victims, Bamber opted to check for signs of life instead by burning Nevills back and checking for a reaction?
So Bamber heats something up and burns Nevills back, ist burn-no reaction, 2nd burn-again no reaction, oh well, maybe third time lucky? yes sure enough, with the 3rd burn Nevill reacts in some way so Bamber shoots him four times in the head! Not once, four times!!
Oh and it just happens that the three random burns can be more or less replicated by the Aga knobs!
In all honesty isn't it simpler just to accept that the Aga did indeed cause the burns, General?
Isn't that the logical thing to do?
Funnily enough, I found a thread on Red here from around 2012 in which the burns to Nevills back were discussed, this was obviously many years before the Boyce evidence. And in this thread, John and Puglove pointed out that the three burns were different sizes and shapes, not sure what point they were making at the time, but obviously if the marks were indeed made by 'different' parts of the Aga then of course they wont look the same in appearance, will they?? As opposed to three burns made by the 'same' object!
Wont you consider the possibility that Boyce has hit the nail on the head , General?