Any news on JB's 2025 CCRC application?

[adam]

But as I said, what about dealing with the other victims, dont they come into it, Adam?

The crime scene showed he did not forget about anyone.

[Joe Blogs]

The crime scene showed he did not forget about anyone.

I think thats what is called a cop out, or at least avoiding the question anyway, Adam!
Seems it isn't even that easy to produce a credible scenario where Bamber deliberately burns Nevills back!
This is the thing, guilters and supporters alike give their view of certain aspects of the murders, like the burns to Nevills back etc, but few give a complete crime scene scenario tying it all together!

[adam]

I think thats what is called a cop out, or at least avoiding the question anyway, Adam!
Seems it isn't even that easy to produce a credible scenario where Bamber deliberately burns Nevills back!
This is the thing, guilters and supporters alike give their view of certain aspects of the murders, like the burns to Nevills back etc, but few give a complete crime scene scenario tying it all together!

He burnt his back after the kitchen fight and before his kitchen window exit.

Would only take minutes. Up to him when he did it.

Not sure what the problem is.

[adam]

Bamber did say in his 2012 CCRC application the rifle nozzle burnt Nevill.

If correct it was after the shooting had been done and the silencer put away.

Nevill had already been lifted onto the coal scuttle/chair for his 5-8 head shots. So a spontaneous decision to burn his back to check for signs of life.

[The General]

But why waste time and go to all that bother checking for signs of life when all he had to was put a bullet in Nevills head just like all the other victims? as I said, what was special about Nevill? and why risk leaving tell tale signs on his back?
Do you really think it makes any sense, Vertigo? I certainly dont!

Here's a decent reason: Nevill's lifeless body shifted, no doubt ending up in that awkward, unnatural position, as Bamber was collecting himself after the struggle. He turns and, using his knowledge of that firearm, knowing it can burn skin which he may have experienced himself, burns Nevill to check for a reaction.

Bamber removed the moderator after the attack, so prodding him with the hot muzzle makes perfect sense, as he needed the moderator to cool prior to pocketing it (he probably stuck it in the box as an after thought at a later time) and wouldn't have wanted to put it back on to shoot him again.

Edit: It may be that the moderator was removed once only Nevill was left alive, or Sheila was in a state of incapacitation, but no dead at that point. This also fits with the revisionism, as Bamber stages Sheila's body (and the comically obvious bible placement), he realises the moderator had to be removed because she can't physically reach the trigger from a reverse thumb position (being 5ft nothing and all that).

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think thats what is called a cop out, or at least avoiding the question anyway, Adam!
Seems it isn't even that easy to produce a credible scenario where Bamber deliberately burns Nevills back!
This is the thing, guilters and supporters alike give their view of certain aspects of the murders, like the burns to Nevills back etc, but few give a complete crime scene scenario tying it all together!

It’s very easy to provide a credible scenario where Bamber deliberately burns Nevill’s back.  Far less easy to provide a credible scenario in which Sheila spends three hours indulging in self care and a bit of correspondence between killing 3 of her family members and finally getting round to dispatching the fourth.

[The General]

I think Bamber crept in, knowing Nevill's routine of G&T and dozing off downstairs, shot all upstairs as they were executed with close contact shots, with no signs of movement or struggle. Sheila is mortally wounded and at this point Nevill hears a commotion and goes to investigate. Either the life or death struggle ensues, Nevill attempts a phonecall, or Nevill attempts a phonecall but Bamber springs on him (probably logically the latter).
Once he subdues Nevill he goes back up and creates his absurd 'suicide by two shots' scenario.

If the building walls and doors are factored in, coupled with the use of the moderator, Bamber chose to take his chance killing Nevill last knowing he might be able to subdue the children, June and Sheila pretty quickly. If it's the other way around there's a chance all four upstairs occupants would be running around screaming, which would ruin any chance of a staged suicide.

June also had to be killed first to stop her using the upstairs phone.

[Joe Blogs]

Here's a decent reason: Nevill's lifeless body shifted, no doubt ending up in that awkward, unnatural position, as Bamber was collecting himself after the struggle. He turns and, using his knowledge of that firearm, knowing it can burn skin which he may have experienced himself, burns Nevill to check for a reaction.

Bamber removed the moderator after the attack, so prodding him with the hot muzzle makes perfect sense, as he needed the moderator to cool prior to pocketing it (he probably stuck it in the box as an after thought at a later time) and wouldn't have wanted to put it back on to shoot him again.

Edit: It may be that the moderator was removed once only Nevill was left alive, or Sheila was in a state of incapacitation, but no dead at that point. This also fits with the revisionism, as Bamber stages Sheila's body (and the comically obvious bible placement), he realises the moderator had to be removed because she can't physically reach the trigger from a reverse thumb position (being 5ft nothing and all that).

Sorry, General, gut it isn't a decent reason!
Same answer, if he saw Nevill move, SHOOT HIM!!! Besides, as I was saying, June needed head shots to finish her off so why wouldn't JB have done this to Nevill once he re-loaded anyway?
Nevill had managed to struggle to the kitchen remember! Are we to believe that JB thought a beating would suffice to finish him off? No way, I dont buy that!
Anyway the evidence shows that Nevill was prodded and whacked with the rifle barrel once he reached the kitchen, is this something Bamber would bother doing?
This is another logical argument to dismiss any terrific struggle in the kitchen, I mean, how could a terrific struggle consist of someone being continually prodded and whacked with the rifle?? Are we to believe that JB and his dad were dancing around the kitchen a few meters appart with JB poking and whacking Nevill?? RIDICULOUS RUBBISH!! Nevill was obviously stationary, holding up his one good arm as the killer prodded him!! probably slumped on a chair ready to topple onto the scuttle! The lamp shade was probably smashed at this time too and Nevills watch was hooked by the sights and pulled off!
But no real beating took place at this stage and once Nevill was beyond fighting back Sheila kept an eye on him while she re-loaded the rifle with the bullets spread out beside the phone!
Then Sheila put four bullets into Nevills head to make sure he couldn't get up again, she had learned her lesson with June getting out of bed and struggling, she had to make sure!
The Bible was picked up and moved by Ron Cook, and Sheila was five feet seven I believe!
But no, I dont think you have given a decent reason for burning Nevills back, General, I dont think one exists!

[Joe Blogs]

It’s very easy to provide a credible scenario where Bamber deliberately burns Nevill’s back.  Far less easy to provide a credible scenario in which Sheila spends three hours indulging in self care and a bit of correspondence between killing 3 of her family members and finally getting round to dispatching the fourth.

I know it may sound far fetched, Vertigo, but once you have eliminated all other possibilities as they say!

[Vertigo Swirl]

I know it may sound far fetched, Vertigo, but once you have eliminated all other possibilities as they say!

Have you eliminated the possibility that the back injuries weren’t even caused that night?  If so how did you arrive at this conclusion?

[The General]

Sorry, General, gut it isn't a decent reason!
Same answer, if he saw Nevill move, SHOOT HIM!!! Besides, as I was saying, June needed head shots to finish her off so why wouldn't JB have done this to Nevill once he re-loaded anyway?
Nevill had managed to struggle to the kitchen remember! Are we to believe that JB thought a beating would suffice to finish him off? No way, I dont buy that!
Anyway the evidence shows that Nevill was prodded and whacked with the rifle barrel once he reached the kitchen, is this something Bamber would bother doing?
This is another logical argument to dismiss any terrific struggle in the kitchen, I mean, how could a terrific struggle consist of someone being continually prodded and whacked with the rifle?? Are we to believe that JB and his dad were dancing around the kitchen a few meters appart with JB poking and whacking Nevill?? RIDICULOUS RUBBISH!! Nevill was obviously stationary, holding up his one good arm as the killer prodded him!! probably slumped on a chair ready to topple onto the scuttle! The lamp shade was probably smashed at this time too and Nevills watch was hooked by the sights and pulled off!
But no real beating took place at this stage and once Nevill was beyond fighting back Sheila kept an eye on him while she re-loaded the rifle with the bullets spread out beside the phone!
Then Sheila put four bullets into Nevills head to make sure he couldn't get up again, she had learned her lesson with June getting out of bed and struggling, she had to make sure!
The Bible was picked up and moved by Ron Cook, and Sheila was five feet seven I believe!
But no, I dont think you have given a decent reason for burning Nevills back, General, I dont think one exists!

Do you use all those superfluous exclamation marks when you write to the c..t in prison?
And you need to read...

Nevill woke, heard the obvious disturbance, went to investigate, there's the c..t shooting everyone (he may have disturbed him staging Sheila's suicide), Nevill, knowing that he needed to get to a phone, runs down the stairs, is shot on the way down and the struggle continued, with Nevill making it to the phone and managing to connect to the operator. Bamber can't shoot while he's got the receiver open, so he delivers blunt force trauma with the rifle butt, replaces the handset, then shoots him several times. The rifle either jams or he has to reload, as it was found in a ready position (quite how wee Bambi knew to ready the rifle again in a pschotic episode should be a fun one for you to explain).
Nevill is still mustering resistance, but the struggle ends by the aga. Bamber thinks it's done, but Nevill's dead weight settles, so he goes over and checks with the rifle muzzle.

And tell me again, what's your proposed sequence of shootings?!!!!
!!!!
!

[Joe Blogs]

Have you eliminated the possibility that the back injuries weren’t even caused that night?  If so how did you arrive at this conclusion?

It was more or less agreed by Vaneziz and other experts that they were made that night Vertigo!
Besides, surely the likes of JB and other relatives and farm workers would have known if they were old wounds or recent injuries inflicted through work?
No we can be pretty sure they happened on the night of the murders!

[The General]

It was more or less agreed by Vaneziz and other experts that they were made that night Vertigo!
Besides, surely the likes of JB and other relatives and farm workers would have known if they were old wounds or recent injuries inflicted through work?
No we can be pretty sure they happened on the night of the murders!

We can be sure the massive head trauma happened on the night he killed them though.
I'm about the same size as Nevill was (fought for his family til death), if someone of Sheila's size hit me with a rifle butt, blindsided or not, I'd probably laugh, snatch the rifle and go and put the kettle on.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It was more or less agreed by Vaneziz and other experts that they were made that night Vertigo!
Besides, surely the likes of JB and other relatives and farm workers would have known if they were old wounds or recent injuries inflicted through work?
No we can be pretty sure they happened on the night of the murders!

That’s a pretty big assumption.  Why would anyone (perhaps with the exception of his close family who were all dead) have necessarily known about these injuries?  What if they’d happened earlier in the day, when we was working along for example?  Would he have been duty bound to call around his extended family network and other farm workers to tell them about it?

[adam]

Sorry, General, gut it isn't a decent reason!
Same answer, if he saw Nevill move, SHOOT HIM!!! Besides, as I was saying, June needed head shots to finish her off so why wouldn't JB have done this to Nevill once he re-loaded anyway?
Nevill had managed to struggle to the kitchen remember! Are we to believe that JB thought a beating would suffice to finish him off? No way, I dont buy that!
Anyway the evidence shows that Nevill was prodded and whacked with the rifle barrel once he reached the kitchen, is this something Bamber would bother doing?
This is another logical argument to dismiss any terrific struggle in the kitchen, I mean, how could a terrific struggle consist of someone being continually prodded and whacked with the rifle?? Are we to believe that JB and his dad were dancing around the kitchen a few meters appart with JB poking and whacking Nevill?? RIDICULOUS RUBBISH!! Nevill was obviously stationary, holding up his one good arm as the killer prodded him!! probably slumped on a chair ready to topple onto the scuttle! The lamp shade was probably smashed at this time too and Nevills watch was hooked by the sights and pulled off!
But no real beating took place at this stage and once Nevill was beyond fighting back Sheila kept an eye on him while she re-loaded the rifle with the bullets spread out beside the phone!
Then Sheila put four bullets into Nevills head to make sure he couldn't get up again, she had learned her lesson with June getting out of bed and struggling, she had to make sure!
The Bible was picked up and moved by Ron Cook, and Sheila was five feet seven I believe!
But no, I dont think you have given a decent reason for burning Nevills back, General, I dont think one exists!

Bamber was not doing any prodding to a standing Nevill.

He recieved 40+ bruises and lacerations to his head, face, arms & torso. Black eyes, a broken nose & his face looked deformed.

The rifle broke and Nevill"s watch smashed and fell off.

Sgt Bernard did say the bible was moved during photos by Cook. This was to show blood underneath.

The reason given for Bamber's back burning by most people is to check for signs of life.