Jane Tanners sighting. Did the abductor have an accomplice who waited nearby?

[John]

It has been suggested in some of the threads that the abductor of Madeleine McCann had help in the form of an accomplice who may have initially acted as lookout and thereafter as getaway driver for this individual.

I know that several members have visited Praia da Luz and spent a considerable amount of time exploring the area around the Ocean Club and the town in general.

What are you views on this?

[sadie]

I have measured and checked all sorts of things, but my time there was limited.

And because of the dense overhang of the trees I missed that balcony altogether.  Thanks to Stopthemyths forum, ..... forum and the original contributor, whose name I do not know, it has changed my perception altogether. 

Then the latest map by Jez, posted by John, whilst not actually proving anything, has very much verified my thoughts.  It has also more or less excluded the other viewing places in my mind.



Actually, I was more interested in the Porto/ VNGaia  area than PdL, tbh  ... and the route up

[sadie]

Almost without doubt, the front door was used both for entry and exit.

That dark, deeply recessed, hidden place was Gods gift to a burglar or an abductor.



With all the sightings of watchers prior to the abduction, this was a deeply planned abduction

[faithlilly]

Almost without doubt, the front door was used both for entry and exit.

That dark, deeply recessed, hidden place was Gods gift to a burglar or an abductor.



With all the sightings of watchers prior to the abduction, this was a deeply planned abduction

So a highly skilled abductor, or team, casually hung about the OC in broad daylight staring up at the McCanns apartment for any passerby to see. Do you really think that's plausible ?

[C.Edwards]

Someone believes too many pink-tinged media stories I think! How many official statements refer to "watchers" that haven't been investigated and ruled out by the PJ?

[faithlilly]

Someone believes too many pink-tinged media stories I think! How many official statements refer to "watchers" that haven't been investigated and ruled out by the PJ?

If only the McCanns were as good at parenting as they seem to be at propaganda eh !

[AnneGuedes]

With all the sightings of watchers prior to the abduction, this was a deeply planned abduction

"deeply planned" though unmotorised ?
I was in PDL. The main finding was that there are two ways to turn around the G5 on the north side (one through the park and one along the building) and I wish I knew which was followed by the GNR sniffer dogs.

[sadie]

With all the sightings of watchers prior to the abduction, this was a deeply planned abduction

"deeply planned" though unmotorised ?
I was in PDL. The main finding was that there are two ways to turn around the G5 on the north side (one through the park and one along the building) and I wish I knew which was followed by the GNR sniffer dogs.

Anna you haven't been reading .. or more likely you dont like the possible truth. 


No man would walk around carrying a stolen child. 


The getaway vehicle could not get there because of Gerry and Jez ... and even worse because Jane Tanner witnessed the abduction


The getaway driver took fright and bu^^^red off in the other direction, leaving poor old bundleman (the sod) in the lurch.


It is quite obvious that you and your cronies are trying to move the position of where Jez thought that the chat took place ... and the reason for that? ...  to purposely undermine my theory and support Amaral ?

Why are you so determined to rubbish a quite likely scenario? 


What is your agenda?




Now how long are you going to keep this going round and round in a circular argument?  That is called wumming

[C.Edwards]

Sadie, no-one can say that your hypothesis is wrong as none of us were there, but you post as though your theory about how things happened is completely proven/accepted and that's just not the case.  You are as welcome as any of us to put forward theories, but none of us is able to state with certainty what happened.  Your posts come across as though your theory is not just possible, but probable.

[sadie]

Almost without doubt, the front door was used both for entry and exit.

That dark, deeply recessed, hidden place was Gods gift to a burglar or an abductor.



With all the sightings of watchers prior to the abduction, this was a deeply planned abduction

So a highly skilled abductor, or team, casually hung about the OC in broad daylight staring up at the McCanns apartment for any passerby to see. Do you really think that's plausible ?

I cannot berlieve that you are displaying such ignorance of the several witnesses that came forward  who had noticed people watching the Mccann apartment

Are you ignorant of the facts? .. in which case you shouldn't be argueing

Or are you putting out deliberate disinfomation?




And why?

[DevilsAdvocate]

With all the sightings of watchers prior to the abduction, this was a deeply planned abduction

"deeply planned" though unmotorised ?
I was in PDL. The main finding was that there are two ways to turn around the G5 on the north side (one through the park and one along the building) and I wish I knew which was followed by the GNR sniffer dogs.

Anna you haven't been reading .. or more likely you dont like the possible truth. 


No man would walk around carrying a stolen child. 


The getaway vehicle could not get there because of Gerry and Jez ... and even worse because Jane Tanner witnessed the abduction


The getaway driver took fright and bu^^^red off in the other direction, leaving poor old bundleman (the sod) in the lurch.


It is quite obvious that you and your cronies are trying to move the position of where Jez thought that the chat took place ... and the reason for that? ...  to purposely undermine my theory and support Amaral

Why are you so determined to rubbish a quite likely scenario? 


What is your agenda?




Now how long are you going to keep this going round and round in a circular argument?  That is called wumming

Hello Sadie,

Surely had the abduction been so well planned then the getaway driver would have parked the vehicle in the car park at the front door that bundleman entered and exited in the hypothesis you suggest !

[sadie]

No, unlikely ... because that might have been noticed by the tapas 7 on their frequent trips

[DevilsAdvocate]

No, unlikely ... because that might have been noticed by the tapas 7 on their frequent trips

Would that not have been covered in such a well planned abduction ? For example and simplification purposes, getaway driver watches bundleman enter through the front door as you suggest, waits for approx. 3 minutes to allow bundleman enter the bedroom, pick up the child and leave the apartment via the front door again to be met with the vehicle in position in the car park ?

[C.Edwards]

Sadie - are you aware of ANY "sightings" of watchers that have not been officially investigated and ruled out by the PJ?  Any at all?

[sadie]

No, unlikely ... because that might have been noticed by the tapas 7 on their frequent trips

Would that not have been covered in such a well planned abduction ? For example and simplification purposes, getaway driver watches bundleman enter through the front door as you suggest, waits for approx. 3 minutes to allow bundleman enter the bedroom, pick up the child and leave the apartment via the front door again to be met with the vehicle in position in the car park ?

Agreed, at the entrance to the car park,  ... but he couldn't get there could he?  Gerry and Jez in the way ... and Jeez he suddenly saw Bundleman appear with Madeleine

Jane Tanner witnessing it ... was too much ... and he immediately turned tail and scarpered in the vehicle

I like the fact that his headlights would have temporarily illuminated the scener, showing JT the colours of the pyjamas

It all fits like a jigsaw.