Deleted calls/texts and use of mobiles

[AnneGuedes]

Essentially yes.

Madeleine could have been asleep under a bush too.

Am I the only one who thinks it selfish and rude to alert overseas family at 2am of something said family can do nothing about?  Except ruin their sleep and cause them enormous (perhaps unnecessary) trauma?

Especially when the missing individual can turn up by morning, wondering g what all the fuss is about?

When my father died, in the middle of the night and at 2000 km from where I was, my mother waited the rising of the sun to call me on the phone.

[Silkywhiskers]

When my father died, in the middle of the night and at 2000 km from where I was, my mother waited the rising of the sun to call me on the phone.

Precisely.

That's how I was raised too.

Be careful and considerate on how you announce bad news.

Doing so in the middle of the night before you are even SURE there's a crisis, is typical narcisstic behaviour.

Its all about THEM.

Surely they didnt think Madeleine could have teleported herself back to Rothley so there was ZERO need to spend searching time on he phone to the rellies.  What could they do, apart from providing attention?

[Sherlock Holmes]

Essentially yes.

Madeleine could have been asleep under a bush too.

Am I the only one who thinks it selfish and rude to alert overseas family at 2am of something said family can do nothing about?  Except ruin their sleep and cause them enormous (perhaps unnecessary) trauma?

Especially when the missing individual can turn up by morning, wondering g what all the fuss is about?

I agree with you, Silkywhiskers, about the wisdom of waking people when there is nothing they can do and when only distress would be caused.

The McCanns were likely so traumatised by events that normal protocols went out the window.

Having said that, the next day the media, politicians and others were called, and Mark Warner was already sending their PR person from England. So this case became an ' international' matter from a very early stage.  It  was not viewed, apparently, by the McCanns or by anyone else, as likely that things would quickly sort themselves out and Madeleine would come walking back to the apartment like a lost cat.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Most parents can never accept they've lost their child, even years later.

The McCann's apparently not only accepted it, they diagnosed the cause and spent precious searching time embroidering tales of jemmied windows.

I am seriously starting to wonder what universe YOU live in, where this is normal acceptable behaviour.

Its not.  Maybe with time but not within a couple of hours of her disappearing.

Clearly you've never misplaced a child but I can assure you calling overseas would be the LAST thing on your mind.

I actually said in my earlier post that the McCanns' behaviour with regard to accepted protocols was probably not normal! At a time of extreme difficulty, so-called normality often goes out of the window.

And I am not so sure that I would't call my family overseas if something terrible like that happened. I live in a different country from my family and call them very regularly, so not calling them at an important time would seem counterintuitive on both sides. But everyone's circumstances are different.

The McCanns certainly seem to have been a close family and I do not think it at all odd that GM would have wanted to touch base with them.

[Silkywhiskers]

Are you seriously comparing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann with the temporary misplacement of a cat?

(With all due respect to your cat).

In both cases the assumption was not that the frightened little thing got sick of being left behind and nipped out for a wander....the assumption, based on nothing more than an empty bed, was that Irreversible Disaster had struck with all the accompanying hysteria, inappropriate phonecalls, and dramatic leaps to judgement. 

My neighbour was an underemployed drama queen with a martyr complex.  I don't know what the McCann's excuse was but I wouldn't want either of them to stick a needle into me as they're obviously deeply strange people.

I don't get it, on the one hand the supporters are telling us how cool and calm they are but in he next breath they're hysterical and not thinking straight.

It can't be both so make up your minds - praying Arabs, hysterical searching,  or calmly deleting call records as though they have time to kill in an airport.

[icabodcrane]

I actually said in my earlier post that the McCanns' behaviour with regard to accepted protocols was probably not normal! At a time of extreme difficulty, so-called normality often goes out of the window.

And I am not so sure that I would't call my family overseas if something terrible like that happened. I live in a different country from my family and call them very regularly, so not calling them at an important time would seem counterintuitive on both sides. But everyone's circumstances are different.

The McCanns certainly seem to have been a close family and I do not think it at all odd that GM would have wanted to touch base with them.

He finds his little girl has disappeared into the night   ... and you speak of Gerry wanting to  "touch base"  about it with his relatives   ?

That's the second time in as many days that you have used a turn  of phrase that is almost McCann'esque in it's inappropriate nonchalance  !

[Silkywhiskers]

I actually said in my earlier post that the McCanns' behaviour with regard to accepted protocols was probably not normal! At a time of extreme difficulty, so-called normality often goes out of the window.

And I am not so sure that I would't call my family overseas if something terrible like that happened. I live in a different country from my family and call them very regularly, so not calling them at an important time would seem counterintuitive on both sides. But everyone's circumstances are different.

The McCanns certainly seem to have been a close family and I do not think it at all odd that GM would have wanted to touch base with them.

Hmmm....have you ever lost something valuable?

Was your reaction

A. Go searching.

Or.

B. Call your sister/mother/member of parliament/priest?

I rest my case.

[Benice]

Hmmm....have you ever lost something valuable?

Was your reaction

A. Go searching.

Or.

B. Call your sister/mother/member of parliament/priest?

I rest my case.

They did search.   After they established Madeleine wasn't in the apartment or in the surrounding area  they were waiting for the police to arrive and after that they were being interviewed by the police.      In the meantime they knew that MW had organised people to search.     

You say your holiday was nearly ruined  over the possible disappearance of a cat!  - and yet you can't see what a terrible affect the disappearance of a CHILD would have on the parents?   Unbelievable.

Which Member of Parliament did the McCanns call?   Or is that yet another myth you would like to import into this forum.
 

[AnneGuedes]

Hmmm....have you ever lost something valuable?

Was your reaction

A. Go searching.

Or.

B. Call your sister/mother/member of parliament/priest?

I rest my case.

Telling stories is a thing, faking to search another one.

[sadie]

Telling stories is a thing, faking to search another one.

So now you accuse them of two lies:

1)  Telling stories

2)  Faking a search


Pull yourself together, Anne.  I remember you boasting in the early days of this forum that you would lie to get your friend out of trouble with the Police.

Not everyone lies, even if you think it is OK.

[Wonderfulspam]

So now you accuse them of two lies:

1)  Telling stories

2)  Faking a search


Pull yourself together, Anne.  I remember you boasting in the early days of this forum that you would lie to get your friend out of trouble with the Police.

Not everyone lies, even if you think it is OK.

'Child 7, Carolina Santos, WAS abducted.  She was walked off some considerable distance before her parents luckily came out of their cafe and saw her being walked off, hand in hand, with a man who had told her that he had a little girl or children to play with. 

They started after her and called her back.  The man walked around the corner and vanished.

Thank God they came out when they did.'

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3542.195

&

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2866.0

[Sherlock Holmes]

He finds his little girl has disappeared into the night   ... and you speak of Gerry wanting to  "touch base"  about it with his relatives   ?

That's the second time in as many days that you have used a turn  of phrase that is almost McCann'esque in it's inappropriate nonchalance  !

Sorry, you're quite correct. I'll blame that on the  twee Americanisms I'm bombarded with every day here.

Though in my defense I was supporting the idea that it would be very normal for Gerry McCann to call home at a time of distress.

Some other people are suggesting that those overseas calls are suspect.

Now that would be inappropriate nonchalance in my book!

[Sherlock Holmes]

Hmmm....have you ever lost something valuable?

Was your reaction

A. Go searching.

Or.

B. Call your sister/mother/member of parliament/priest?

I rest my case.

You rested your case before you got the answer!

[sadie]

Sorry, you're quite correct. I'll blame that on the  twee Americanisms I'm bombarded with every day here.

Though in my defense I was supporting the idea that it would be very normal for Gerry McCann to call home at a time of distress.

Some other people are suggesting that those overseas calls are suspect.

Now that would be inappropriate nonchalance in my book!

I like it Sherlock.

At least it isn't pretentious.  We all understand what it means.

Apologies not needed

[slartibartfast]

Though in my defense I was supporting the idea that it would be very normal for Gerry McCann to call home at a time of distress.

Some other people are suggesting that those overseas calls are suspect.

Now that would be inappropriate nonchalance in my book!

I afraid it would be the last thing I would want to do, ring up the Grandparents and tell them you've lost their Granddaughter. At least wait until the morning and the search has been going on for sometime.