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ferryman

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Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2013, 06:03:59 PM »
Does anyone know if there is a record of the call made from the Tapas restaurant?

I've had a look; I can't find it.

I've found a statement of a manager who was on the premises at the critical time; but he doesn't appear to have been the one to make the call to reception.

I'm thinking, also, that it's possible more than one call was made to the GNR?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIAGO_BARREIROS.htm

That he became aware of the situation that occurred at the OC with respect to the disappearance of a child when he arrived at the Tapas around 22H00/22H30. He was immediately informed at arriving by work colleagues.

That after finding out what happened he immediately proceeded to join some searches next to the pool and the apartment zone around the resort. He stayed in the OC until around 01H30 when he left with his girlfriend.

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icabodcrane

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Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2013, 06:19:03 PM »
Does anyone know if there is a record of the call made from the Tapas restaurant?

I've had a look; I can't find it.

I've found a statement of a manager who was on the premises at the critical time; but he doesn't appear to have been the one to make the call to reception.

I'm thinking, also, that it's possible more than one call was made to the GNR?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIAGO_BARREIROS.htm

That he became aware of the situation that occurred at the OC with respect to the disappearance of a child when he arrived at the Tapas around 22H00/22H30. He was immediately informed at arriving by work colleagues.

That after finding out what happened he immediately proceeded to join some searches next to the pool and the apartment zone around the resort. He stayed in the OC until around 01H30 when he left with his girlfriend.


The Ocean Club phone records are  'hard evidence'

They 'prove'  that the only calls made from reception to the police that night occured at 22.41pm and 22.52pm


ferryman

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Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2013, 06:24:05 PM »
Does anyone know if there is a record of the call made from the Tapas restaurant?

I've had a look; I can't find it.

I've found a statement of a manager who was on the premises at the critical time; but he doesn't appear to have been the one to make the call to reception.

I'm thinking, also, that it's possible more than one call was made to the GNR?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIAGO_BARREIROS.htm

That he became aware of the situation that occurred at the OC with respect to the disappearance of a child when he arrived at the Tapas around 22H00/22H30. He was immediately informed at arriving by work colleagues.

That after finding out what happened he immediately proceeded to join some searches next to the pool and the apartment zone around the resort. He stayed in the OC until around 01H30 when he left with his girlfriend.


The Ocean Club phone records are  'hard evidence'

They 'prove'  that the only calls made from reception to the police that night occured at 22.41pm and 22.52pm

I'm not disputing that you've quoted (actually, that I quoted) is accurate.

I'm questioning whether it's complete!

Was the call highlighted the only call made to the GNR?

Or was there an earlier call, then a hurry up call, the one highlighted?


icabodcrane

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Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2013, 06:33:51 PM »
Does anyone know if there is a record of the call made from the Tapas restaurant?

I've had a look; I can't find it.

I've found a statement of a manager who was on the premises at the critical time; but he doesn't appear to have been the one to make the call to reception.

I'm thinking, also, that it's possible more than one call was made to the GNR?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIAGO_BARREIROS.htm

That he became aware of the situation that occurred at the OC with respect to the disappearance of a child when he arrived at the Tapas around 22H00/22H30. He was immediately informed at arriving by work colleagues.

That after finding out what happened he immediately proceeded to join some searches next to the pool and the apartment zone around the resort. He stayed in the OC until around 01H30 when he left with his girlfriend.


The Ocean Club phone records are  'hard evidence'

They 'prove'  that the only calls made from reception to the police that night occured at 22.41pm and 22.52pm

I'm not disputing that you've quoted (actually, that I quoted) is accurate.

I'm questioning whether it's complete!

Was the call highlighted the only call made to the GNR?

Or was there an earlier call, then a hurry up call, the one highlighted?

There were two calls to the police that night

The first at 10.41pm

...  and the 'hurry up' call was made 11 minutes later at 22.52pm ( the police were already on their way at that point, and arrived about  8 minutes later )

The suggestion that it took Portuguese police nearly an hour to respond to the first call should be relegated to the  'myth'  section
« Last Edit: May 03, 2013, 06:52:42 PM by icabodcrane »

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Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2013, 07:18:28 PM »
There were other calls to the police well before 10.40pm if I remember what I read in the statements including calls from England.   It was a simple matter to place an emergency call to 112.

I will check my notes when I get back to my office,.  I also think this subject is worthy of its own thread since there appears to be a dispute about the calls and the timings.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2013, 07:23:18 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline gilet

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2013, 07:19:33 PM »
And the inspector Gonçalo Amaral didn't arrive at all !

Sorry Anne and DCI.  I got that wrong.  I should have said the PJ arrived at around midnight.  Amaral stayed in bed.
Sorry, Angelo, but you got the bed wrong as well. GA didn't sleep a wink ! A little lost girl, nobody in Portugal, knowing that, goes to bed.

That rather depends on how you read his book, but why would he tell us that his wife pulled the daughter to herself to leave his place in the bed free if he was not going to use it? 

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Contei-lhe e instinitivamente colocou a mao no peito pequeno e quente de Ines, sem no entanto a puxar para junto de si de forma a deixar o meu lugar livre...

Your claim that nobody knowing that goes to bed is quite silly really. Most Portuguese people, even in PDL did go to bed.  Why people make such wild exaggerated statements as that about nobody going to bed is quite beyond me.



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Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2013, 07:26:52 PM »
Mr Amaral most probably assumed she would turn up as many have done before after getting lost.  He would have let his minions get on with it.
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Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2013, 07:53:36 PM »
And the inspector Gonçalo Amaral didn't arrive at all !

Sorry Anne and DCI.  I got that wrong.  I should have said the PJ arrived at around midnight.  Amaral stayed in bed.
Sorry, Angelo, but you got the bed wrong as well. GA didn't sleep a wink ! A little lost girl, nobody in Portugal, knowing that, goes to bed.

That rather depends on how you read his book, but why would he tell us that his wife pulled the daughter to herself to leave his place in the bed free if he was not going to use it? 

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Contei-lhe e instinitivamente colocou a mao no peito pequeno e quente de Ines, sem no entanto a puxar para junto de si de forma a deixar o meu lugar livre...

Your claim that nobody knowing that goes to bed is quite silly really. Most Portuguese people, even in PDL did go to bed.  Why people make such wild exaggerated statements as that about nobody going to bed is quite beyond me.

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ANNOUNCEMENT OF A DISAPPEARANCE: THE FIRST SEVENTY-TWO HOURS

On this evening, May 3rd 2007, I decide to dine at the Carvi Brasserie, in the centre of Portimão, before going home. I have been living for a year in this town, where I lead the Department of Criminal Investigation of the police judiciaire. In 1982, when I was 23 and I had just taken up this career, I had already gone there. There, I had made the acquaintance of someone who was to become my friend, Manuel João. Former local official and sporty, a charismatic person. He always lent a hand to members of the police judiciaire who went to the town for the purposes of an investigation. As an elected local official, he originated the creation of a police judiciaire department in Portimão. Thus, that evening, while savouring fruits de mer, we discuss the problems of Portuguese society.

It is midnight when I receive the news about the disappearance of a little four-year-old English girl. The police officer on call was informed about it by the National Guard of The Republic (GNR) At the time of her disappearance, the little girl was supposed to have been sleeping in an apartment while her parents were dining a hundred metres away. An inspector is sent to the scene immediately to establish the initial facts. A forensic expert assigned to security of the premises will join him. All precautions are taken to preserve possible clues and elements of evidence. I demand to be informed very regularly and, before going home, I call on the police on duty to check that all urgent measures are underway. The head of the Guard has already alerted the police authorities at Faro airport and the control post set up on the Guadiana* bridge.

(*The river on the frontier between Portugal and Spain.)

THE REPORTS LEAVE A LOT TO BE DESIRED

The examination of the premises by the investigator and the representative of the forensic police just after the announcement of the disappearance turns out to be quite unproductive. A concise report, where their observations are written up, is accompanied by numerous photographs taken inside and outside apartment 5A - which don't give an account of, according to us, everything they could have observed. This error is explained by the absence of procedures in case of a child's disappearance, notably concerning the actions to be taken when examining the scene.

Lots of people were already in place; however, nobody appeared in the photos. We don't know, for example, how they were dressed. Such observations can turn out to be important later on. The report mentions that the twins were asleep in their bed, but there is no proof to confirm it; on the contrary, in the photographs, you can see empty cots, where only the mattresses remain - the sheets and blankets having been removed. Why have their beds been stripped? If the sheets had not been removed, traces of their presence could have been found there.
That evening, on arriving home, I see Inès, my younger daughter, who is sleeping close to my wife, Sofia. In silence, in the dim light of the bedroom, I sit on the edge of the bed. Outside, far from her mother's warmth, a child of the same age is lost. Sofia wakes up and asks me what is happening. I tell her about Madeleine's disappearance and instinctively, she holds our daughter tightly in her arms and makes room for me.
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Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2013, 08:01:51 PM »
Does anyone know if there is a record of the call made from the Tapas restaurant?

I've had a look; I can't find it.

I've found a statement of a manager who was on the premises at the critical time; but he doesn't appear to have been the one to make the call to reception.

I'm thinking, also, that it's possible more than one call was made to the GNR?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIAGO_BARREIROS.htm

That he became aware of the situation that occurred at the OC with respect to the disappearance of a child when he arrived at the Tapas around 22H00/22H30. He was immediately informed at arriving by work colleagues.

That after finding out what happened he immediately proceeded to join some searches next to the pool and the apartment zone around the resort. He stayed in the OC until around 01H30 when he left with his girlfriend.


The Ocean Club phone records are  'hard evidence'

They 'prove'  that the only calls made from reception to the police that night occured at 22.41pm and 22.52pm

I'm not disputing that you've quoted (actually, that I quoted) is accurate.

I'm questioning whether it's complete!

Was the call highlighted the only call made to the GNR?

Or was there an earlier call, then a hurry up call, the one highlighted?

There were two calls to the police that night

The first at 10.41pm

...  and the 'hurry up' call was made 11 minutes later at 22.52pm ( the police were already on their way at that point, and arrived about  8 minutes later )

The suggestion that it took Portuguese police nearly an hour to respond to the first call should be relegated to the  'myth'  section
it surely should.  Very unfair.
At 10.35 the police had still not arrived, so Gerry asked Matt if he would go back down to the twenty-four-hour reception and find out what was happening. John Hill, the Mark Warner resort manager, came up to the veranda behind our apartment. I remember screaming at him to do something. ‘Where are the police?’ I yelled at him. He tried to reassure me they’d be with us soon but I could tell that he, too, was finding the waiting difficult. Minutes felt like hours.
"Madeleine"
After thoroughly searching the apartment, his wife, scared and shocked, went to the restaurant to inform him of the disappearance. Immediately, the group took themselves around the club and searched across all the facilities, swimming pool, tennis etc., as well as in the apartment, with the help of Ocean Club employees, who, at the same time, contacted the authorities
(GMC 4 May statement)
Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, Mrs Fenn asked the father, Gerry, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted.... At that moment she offered Gerry help, saying that he could use her phone to contact the authorities, to which he replied that this had already been done. It was just after 22.30.
Mrs Fenn
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Redblossom

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Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2013, 08:02:43 PM »
There were other calls to the police well before 10.40pm if I remember what I read in the statements including calls from England.   It was a simple matter to place an emergency call to 112.

I will check my notes when I get back to my office,.  I also think this subject is worthy of its own thread since there appears to be a dispute about the calls and the timings.

I look forward to seeing that evidence John.

Ferryman, wondering what the nonsense you posted earlier was about, the main receptionist ringing police between 9.30 and 10 pm, immediately after he was caled by the Tapas Bar receptionist. Why would anyone ring him before the alarm was raised, which was at least 10pm or as late as 10.20 if Gerry Mccanns statement is correct.

The recollection of 9.30-10pm is obviously wrong here, isnt it.


AnneGuedes

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Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2013, 08:04:13 PM »
There were other calls to the police well before 10.40pm if I remember what I read in the statements including calls from England.   It was a simple matter to place an emergency call to 112.

I will check my notes when I get back to my office,.  I also think this subject is worthy of its own thread since there appears to be a dispute about the calls and the timings.

I look forward to seeing that evidence John.

So do I.

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Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2013, 08:20:12 PM »
There were other calls to the police well before 10.40pm if I remember what I read in the statements including calls from England.   It was a simple matter to place an emergency call to 112.

I will check my notes when I get back to my office,.  I also think this subject is worthy of its own thread since there appears to be a dispute about the calls and the timings.

I look forward to seeing that evidence John.

So do I.


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Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, Mrs Fenn asked the father, Gerry, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted.... At that moment she offered Gerry help, saying that he could use her phone to contact the authorities, to which he replied that this had already been done. It was just after 22.30.
Mrs Fenn
If you want something done right, do it yourself ! What are cell phones made for ?

Are you 100% sure about that statement Anne, re Mrs Fenn?

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Offline John

Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2013, 10:00:50 PM »
The evidence of what occurred with respect to phoning the police that night is all in the statements.

Just before I dig them all out and put a time-line together does anyone want to retract their comments?  I would be interested to know who really believes that a nearly 4-year-old child goes missing from her bedroom in a foreign holiday apartment at 10pm and no-one bothers their ar.. to telephone the police until 10.41pm.   Are you for real?
« Last Edit: May 03, 2013, 10:03:46 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
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Redblossom

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Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2013, 10:06:55 PM »
The evidence of what occurred with respect to phoning the police that night is all in the statements.

Just before I dig them all out and put a time-line together does anyone want to retract their comments?  I would be interested to know who really believes that a nearly 4-year-old child goes missing from her bedroom in a foreign holiday apartment at 10pm and no-one bothers their ar.. to telephone the police until 10.41pm.   Are you for real?

lets see it then

I retract  nothing as the only evidence I have seen is the official call logs from the ocean ckub and other reports from police detailing the time of the first call,happy to be corrected though

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Re: At what time were the police called after Madeleine's disappearance?
« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2013, 10:09:16 PM »
Apparently you haven't bothered to read all the statements then Redblossom.  You really have to start looking at all the evidence.

Nobody has answered my question yet.  Your child is abducted in a foreign holiday resort, do you wait 40 minutes before phoning the police?

Maybe nobody wanted to trouble the poor dears.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2013, 10:12:03 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.