The Portuguese Police thought the dogs were 100% accurate.

[AnneGuedes]

Why did Grime indicate that the toy had been forwarded for forensic analysis when it never was.

Any idea?

He thought so, perhaps, he wasn't the one who sent the stuff to the scientific police.
Please I'm interested in the person who (apparently) came back from the dead.

[Redblossom]

You wanted examples of where a cadaver-dog alert in a criminal enquiry does not, in fact, indicate the commission of any crime

There are (potentially) thousands.

Firstly, no one had ever died in flat 5a.....pertaining to this case and these dogs

Secondly, please dont exagerate so much...potentially thousands? youre having a laugh!!

Still, if you find that long list of cadaver dogs alerting to the last place a missing person was seen alive and they turned up alive, do post it....one or two out of the your potentially thousands of mistakes doesnt gel

And I doubt cadaver dogs have been sent on thousands of cases either..its a relatively new tool....

[ferryman]

Firstly, no one had ever died in flat 5a.....pertaining to this case and these dogs

Secondly, please dont exagerate so much...potentially thousands? youre having a laugh!!

Still, if you find that long list of cadaver dogs alerting to the last place a missing person was seen alive and they turned up alive, do post it....one or two out of the your potentially thousands of mistakes doesnt gel

And I doubt cadaver dogs have been sent on thousands of cases either..its a relatively new tool....

Of course I'm not exaggerating.  Literally thousands of people die at home.  That is (potentially) thousands of instances where a dog could give a false alert in a criminal/murder enquiry.

Have you figured out, yet, why Grime indicated that the toy had been forwarded for forensic analysis when it never was?

[Redblossom]

Why did Grime indicate that the toy had been forwarded for forensic analysis when it never was.

Any idea?

Thats not exaxtly what he said


'Can you confirm if the signal given regarding the stuffed toy corresponds to a concrete alert of detection of a cadaver, or a mere trick played by the dog''
The dogs were not taught any 'tricks'. EVRD 'signalled' the toy, which at my request was retained by the Judicial Police for future forensic analysis. I have no knowledge of the results of any forensic analysis on the toy.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

In any case if he asked the PJ to keep it for future possible tests they obviously just gave it back as it was peeking out of kate  mccanns big bag when she went in for her arguido interview.....
a month later.

[AnneGuedes]

And I doubt cadaver dogs have been sent on thousands of cases either..its a relatively new tool....

The first dog trained to exclusively detect human remains was a Labrador, Pearl, and first worked in 1974 (State of New York).

[Redblossom]

The first dog trained to exclusively detect human remains was a Labrador, Pearl, and first worked in 1974 (State of New York).

WOW thanks Anne, didnt know that....it certainly took a long time go become a norm in the police as it is today in many countries

In 2007 the PJ had never even heard of them according to Olegario da Sousa.....no wonder the PJ took all their cues from the British regarding.....

[Mr Gray]

After six years, four threads on the dogs...remember what grime said about the alerts...no evidential value...from the threads here you would think the results are black or white

[Lyall]

After six years, four threads on the dogs...remember what grime said about the alerts...no evidential value...from the threads here you would think the results are black or white

>@@(*&) No, you wouldn't. Nobody claims that.

But ferry just will not let it lie. It's clearly a vendetta!

[Mr Gray]

it seems that the PJ were really impressed with the evrd dogs



six years on...have they used them since

[Wonderfulspam]

it seems that the PJ were really impressed with the evrd dogs



six years on...have they used them since

The McCann's haven't holidayed there again, so no need.

[AnneGuedes]

it seems that the PJ were really impressed with the evrd dogs

The PJ were not alone, I was very much impressed myself, I read a lot of things, the more scientific I could find, because of that.
And, if I may say, the McCanns were first impressed too. If they breathed again quickly, it is imo because they knew better than anybody that Madeleine was taken away for good before the sunrise on the 4th of May.

[stephen25000]

The McCann's haven't holidayed there again, so no need.

I'm sure the Portuguese are more than pleased that the Mccanns won't be taking holidays there any more.

[Montclair]

it seems that the PJ were really impressed with the evrd dogs



six years on...have they used them since

The Portuguese authorities have now trained their own EVRD dogs.

[Mr Gray]

The Portuguese authorities have now trained their own EVRD dogs.

 could you give us any details of their deployment

[Mr Gray]

The Portuguese authorities have now trained their own EVRD dogs.

Do you have one case where the Portuguese dogs have detected cadaver odour?