Robert Murat wins libel case against national daily Correio da Manhã

[Eleanor]

Murat is getting quite adept at litigation, it seems

Is there any chance he might seek redress from Kate McCann regarding her book  ?

I know that just five months ago, his mother was speaking of her bitter disappointment that Kate had added to their misery by repeating, in the book,  allegations made against her son

( I'm reading Kate's book, and I must say,  I can't really see what Jenny Murat is getting at   )

No, I couldn't either.  Selective reporting again, I suspect.

[Angelo222]

It was my understanding that in Portugal freedom of speech trumped the individual's right not to be slandered and libelled so my question was whether this recent decision in favour of Murat might be taken as a promising sign from the McCanns' point of view?

Here's hoping, Martha - here's hoping.  I'm very glad to hear that Robert Murat has fought back against the poisonous PT press and won.

If the Portuguese judges can see through what happened with Mr Murat then this can only open the flood gates to further actions by any of the tapas 9 who may have been defamed by the PJ or the Press.

[amaraltheofficeboy]

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I know that just five months ago, his mother was speaking of her bitter disappointment that Kate had added to their misery by repeating, in the book,  allegations made against her son

( I'm reading Kate's book, and I must say,  I can't really see what Jenny Murat is getting at   )

so your speculative question is based on something you don't agree with.

[Rachel Granada]

It was my understanding that in Portugal freedom of speech trumped the individual's right not to be slandered and libelled so my question was whether this recent decision in favour of Murat might be taken as a promising sign from the McCanns' point of view?

Here's hoping, Martha - here's hoping.  I'm very glad to hear that Robert Murat has fought back against the poisonous PT press and won.

If the Portuguese judges can see through what happened with Mr Murat then this can only open the flood gates (to further actions by any of the tapas 9 who may have been defamed by the PJ or the Press.

Excellent post, Angelo222 

[DCI]

Well if Murat wants another one, here he is.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CARLOS-COSTA.htm

This is info Amaral used in his book. So had he been collecting statements from day one, for his comic book?
The statement was given before the case was 2 weeks old.
To be honest this could be, a disgruntled employee, of Murats father.

[Angelo222]

Does anyone have a full translation of the decision?

[debunker]

It was my understanding that in Portugal freedom of speech trumped the individual's right not to be slandered and libelled so my question was whether this recent decision in favour of Murat might be taken as a promising sign from the McCanns' point of view?

Here's hoping, Martha - here's hoping.  I'm very glad to hear that Robert Murat has fought back against the poisonous PT press and won.

If the Portuguese judges can see through what happened with Mr Murat then this can only open the flood gates to further actions by any of the tapas 9 who may have been defamed by the PJ or the Press.

You cant be defamed by the police

Cite....

You certainly can in the UK.

It is very difficult the other way- the police are a public service and as part of a Democratic society they are expected to soak up a considerable amount of false criticism before a libel action is likely to succeed (slightly different with libel against an individual in the police, depending on the situation.)

For certain acts the Police have qualified privilege, but that has definite limits and could easily result in a case for defamation.

[Rachel Granada]

Well if Murat wants another one, here he is.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CARLOS-COSTA.htm

This is info Amaral used in his book. So had he been collecting statements from day one, for his comic book?
The statement was given before the case was 2 weeks old.
To be honest this could be, a disgruntled employee, of Murats father.

I will not soil my eyes by reading Amaral's so-called book.  Someone PLEASE tell me that Amaral didn't put the "sex with a cat" claim in his book? If he did, then I hope that Murat takes the appropriate action - if there is anything left after Kate and Gerry McCann have finished with him and his brother, and the PT Tax authorities have been paid out.

[DCI]

Well if Murat wants another one, here he is.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CARLOS-COSTA.htm

This is info Amaral used in his book. So had he been collecting statements from day one, for his comic book?
The statement was given before the case was 2 weeks old.
To be honest this could be, a disgruntled employee, of Murats father.

I will not soil my eyes by reading Amaral's so-called book.  Someone PLEASE tell me that Amaral didn't put the "sex with a cat" claim in his book? If he did, then I hope that Murat takes the appropriate action - if there is anything left after Kate and Gerry McCann have finished with him and his brother, and the PT Tax authorities have been paid out.

Yes he did, Rachel.

If you don't want to soil your eyes read the statement, made.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CARLOS-COSTA.htm

[debunker]

Well if Murat wants another one, here he is.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CARLOS-COSTA.htm

This is info Amaral used in his book. So had he been collecting statements from day one, for his comic book?
The statement was given before the case was 2 weeks old.
To be honest this could be, a disgruntled employee, of Murats father.

I will not soil my eyes by reading Amaral's so-called book.  Someone PLEASE tell me that Amaral didn't put the "sex with a cat" claim in his book? If he did, then I hope that Murat takes the appropriate action - if there is anything left after Kate and Gerry McCann have finished with him and his brother, and the PT Tax authorities have been paid out.

Yes he did, Rachel.

If you don't want to soil your eyes read the statement, made.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CARLOS-COSTA.htm

That is such a good example of qualified privilege.

The witness has QP as it is part of a statement to the police.

A Police Officer would have QP when including this in a report to the Prosecutor.

It may even have QP if it is in the files (IS IT?)

Amaral as a private citizen has no QP so is guilty of defamation.

[Rachel Granada]

Well if Murat wants another one, here he is.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CARLOS-COSTA.htm

This is info Amaral used in his book. So had he been collecting statements from day one, for his comic book?
The statement was given before the case was 2 weeks old.
To be honest this could be, a disgruntled employee, of Murats father.

I will not soil my eyes by reading Amaral's so-called book.  Someone PLEASE tell me that Amaral didn't put the "sex with a cat" claim in his book? If he did, then I hope that Murat takes the appropriate action - if there is anything left after Kate and Gerry McCann have finished with him and his brother, and the PT Tax authorities have been paid out.

Yes he did, Rachel.

If you don't want to soil your eyes read the statement, made.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CARLOS-COSTA.htm

Thank you DCI.  I didn't think it was possible for Amaral to sink any lower in my eyes, but he has done.   Here's hoping that Isabel Duarte and the team wipe the floor with him at the forthcoming trial.

[ferryman]

OK, I have loaded a google translation of the judgment onto my word processor.  I will pull out all references to "abduction" one at a time and add them in edits:

"The key to crime may be in" G "and the Judicial Police investigates" T ", which gives its name to the foreign real estate online with" A "and" I ". The suspect English is for now the only defendant, the German was questioned and the investigation into the abduction of the little "F" "any professional connections" to "A" are being scrutinized past, says the "NEWSPAPER 1" fountain of PJ . »

«" N "insists the" NEWSPAPER 1 "in the" professional relationship "with" A ", but called her home at 23:30 the night of the murder, two hours after the abduction of Madeleine.

«" G "tells us that only knew of the abduction of the little" F "for his daughter" R "... living in England, and that he" called at 7:00 a.m. the next day, "Friday. "She saw on television and told me, that's when I wanted to help put together the bank on the street where people could give information about the girl."

The mother believes that only defendant because "the British journalist who suspected him." Just could not explain the "NEWSPAPER 1" the call "N" to "A" or two hours after the abduction and via your mobile phone, even when their relationship "is just professional."

There is another reference I won't add because it is tied in with some unpleasant allegations against Murat I don't want to repeat on the open forum.

[Angelo222]

You cant be defamed by the police

Try telling that to former cop Amaral.   If a policeman makes a comment in public or writes something for a newspaper wrongly alleging that a person has committed a crime then they leave themselves open to a libel suit.  That is why any reputable police officer will only say such things under the judicial authority and protection of a court.  I am not sure about Portugal but in the UK Counsel are so protected against libel suits in the same way when they allege something in court. 

[ferryman]

You cant be defamed by the police

Try telling that to former cop Amaral.   If a policeman makes a comment in public or writes something for a newspaper wrongly alleging that a person has committed a crime then they leave themselves open to a libel suit.  That is why any reputable police officer will only say such things under the judicial authority and protection of a court.  I am not sure about Portugal but in the UK Counsel are so protected against libel suits in the same way when they allege something in court.

Is exactly right.

If Amaral had confined his suspicions to the official process, he'd have been fine.  Almeida is fine, for precisely that reason.

At least so far as I am aware, he has never repeated anything publicly outside the process he said within it, so can't be touched for libel.

[DCI]

You cant be defamed by the police

Try telling that to former cop Amaral.   If a policeman makes a comment in public or writes something for a newspaper wrongly alleging that a person has committed a crime then they leave themselves open to a libel suit.  That is why any reputable police officer will only say such things under the judicial authority and protection of a court.  I am not sure about Portugal but in the UK Counsel are so protected against libel suits in the same way when they allege something in court.

April 26, 2008 - 09:00

If Maddie: Inspector will disclose the whole puzzle of the night of May 3
Mystery also in film

What really happened the night of May 3, in Praia da Luz, where Madeleine McCann disappeared, one of the passages will be more 'explosive' of the book that the inspector's PJ Gonçalo Amaral is you want to write and, later, transformed into documentary.

The CM knows that the researcher of PJ - who coordinated the case in the first months and is now about to leave the police after having applied for retirement (see support) - already has almost finished the book. As the CM revealed yesterday will have the title 'the Truth Lie'.

The contents have already been examined by a publisher, which also proposed the publication in English. According to BC source said next of Gonçalo Amaral, "yet there is no date certain for the launch," but, apparently, will only be after the lifting of the secrecy of justice in the investigation process still ongoing at the Ministry of Public Portimao.

On the intention to rebuild the media event on film, should proceed in documentary style, and also there is already producing interested. "Will clarify all the lie that has been created and calling into question the institutions that investigated and are linked to the case," revealed the CM the same source, who already desfolhou passages from future publication.

PORMENORES DETAILS

SEGREDO SECRECY

The publication of the controversial book should only happen after the lifting of the secrecy of justice."The intention is to restore the truth of what happened that night and did not find problems to the author," explained the 'CM' source close to Gonçalo Amaral.

REFORMA REFORM

Despite being about to pass the reform, adding 38 years of service - 26 in eight more police, military service plus 20% of subsidy - Gonçalo Amaral is in danger of being punished by the disciplinary publication of the book. Even in retirement, the inspector must comply with the regulation of the police disciplinary.
Rui Pando Gomes

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/misterio-tambem-em-filme