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amaraltheofficeboy

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Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #60 on: May 13, 2013, 05:55:54 PM »
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Why would all of the McCann friends had to have been complicit ?

do any of their statements give a completely different stories of event?

Offline Mo Stache

Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #61 on: May 13, 2013, 05:57:29 PM »
If I had to place a large bet, I would place it on Maddie being killed in a fit of temper by Kate. Not deliberately killed but probably by having her head banged against a wall or similar. I believe Gerry knows exactly what happened and is 'standing by' his wife knowing she didn't mean to kill Maddie. I believe the Tapas bar saga is nothing more than an elaborate coverup.

The question was 'what do you think happened'; well that's my opinion. I hope I am wrong and Maddie is alive and well somewhere being cared for and loved.

As this is a 'Justice' forum and you are a senior member, perhaps you would share the logic and evidence that let's you reach that libellous conclusion.

The question was 'what do you THINK happened' to Madeliene.  I am perfectly entitled to express my opinion and there cannot possibly be anything libelous in that.

As for logic and evidence; my opinion is logical to me as I do not believe the McCanns and evidence is not a prerequisite to having an opinion.  You know damn well I don't have any evidence to prove what my opinion is just as you cannot prove my opinion is wrong!
I am of the opinion that you had something to do with the abduction of Madeleine because contrary to forensic reports you are still of the opinion that Madeleine's parents have something to do with her death. I don't have any evidence to prove what my opinion is, just as you cannot prove my opinion is wrong.

See it works both ways.   

Offline Tim Invictus

Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #62 on: May 13, 2013, 05:58:13 PM »
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Tim Invictus
Where did I say I think McCann's friends knew and were party to a cover up? I didn't and I don't!


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I believe the Tapas bar saga is nothing more than an elaborate coverup.

Ok here it is in black and white; I do not believe and have not suggested anyone other than Kate and Gerry McCann were involved in the disappearance. Now kindly stop suggesting I have said otherwise. TY.

amaraltheofficeboy

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Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #63 on: May 13, 2013, 05:59:14 PM »
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Tim Invictus
Where did I say I think McCann's friends knew and were party to a cover up? I didn't and I don't!


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Tim Invictus
I believe the Tapas bar saga is nothing more than an elaborate coverup.

Ok here it is in black and white; I do not believe and have not suggested anyone other than Kate and Gerry McCann were involved in the disappearance. Now kindly stop suggesting I have said otherwise. TY.

so what was the elaborate coverup in the tapas bar?

AnneGuedes

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Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #64 on: May 13, 2013, 05:59:42 PM »
Why would the McCanns need an accomplice ?

Offline Mrs. B

Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #65 on: May 13, 2013, 06:04:10 PM »
Pardon, but how on earth do you go about to find an explanation for uncorroborated dog alerts? As they are uncorroborated, nobody can explain what the dog alerted to, we simply don't know & most likely, we never will. What we're left with is speculation, which is OK, as long as one is aware that's all it is.
Oh yes, pure speculation, based though on the fact Eddie is an EVRD (that provides speculating with a certain justification). Mr Grime, in the film, even says that Eddie's alert in the parents' bedroom doesn't necessarily indicate a corpse was there, a draught could have sent there the volatiles molecules, trapped in the corner.
When someone disappears leaving no trace, no sign, no clue, one is entitled to wonder why the EVRD alerted in this flat and not in the others. Wonder, nothing else.

One is always entitled to wonder about things in this world, I fully agree  ?{)(**

One thing I personally wonder about is the following; you have two dogs, both who are said to be trained to alert to the scent of minuscule traces of human blood. Then you have a large holiday resort where thousands upon thousands of people pass through every year & have done so for a number of years and the ONLY apartment both these dogs alerted to was Apt 5A. That, if anything, needs some explaining....... >@@(*&)

Offline Benice

Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #66 on: May 13, 2013, 06:05:54 PM »
Pardon, but how on earth do you go about to find an explanation for uncorroborated dog alerts? As they are uncorroborated, nobody can explain what the dog alerted to, we simply don't know & most likely, we never will. What we're left with is speculation, which is OK, as long as one is aware that's all it is.
Oh yes, pure speculation, based though on the fact Eddie is an EVRD (that provides speculating with a certain justification). Mr Grime, in the film, even says that Eddie's alert in the parents' bedroom doesn't necessarily indicate a corpse was there, a draught could have sent there the volatiles molecules, trapped in the corner.
When someone disappears leaving no trace, no sign, no clue, one is entitled to wonder why the EVRD alerted in this flat and not in the others. Wonder, nothing else.


IMO it's to do with the amount of time spent searching   I watched a TV prog on sniffer dogs at Airports a while back where a dog had alerted to drugs in a holdall, which were subsequently discovered in there.    The dog handler said how pleased she was with the dog, especially as she (the dog) had alerted very quickly - whereas sometimes she could take up to 15 mins 'inspecting' an item before deciding to alert or not.

I also wonder if Eddie had been made to spend the same amount of time on the other cars, instead of only a quarter of the time that he was made to spend on the Renault - then would he have alerted to some of those cars?   We shall never know.




The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Tim Invictus

Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #67 on: May 13, 2013, 06:06:18 PM »
If I had to place a large bet, I would place it on Maddie being killed in a fit of temper by Kate. Not deliberately killed but probably by having her head banged against a wall or similar. I believe Gerry knows exactly what happened and is 'standing by' his wife knowing she didn't mean to kill Maddie. I believe the Tapas bar saga is nothing more than an elaborate coverup.

The question was 'what do you think happened'; well that's my opinion. I hope I am wrong and Maddie is alive and well somewhere being cared for and loved.

As this is a 'Justice' forum and you are a senior member, perhaps you would share the logic and evidence that let's you reach that libellous conclusion.

The question was 'what do you THINK happened' to Madeliene.  I am perfectly entitled to express my opinion and there cannot possibly be anything libelous in that.

As for logic and evidence; my opinion is logical to me as I do not believe the McCanns and evidence is not a prerequisite to having an opinion.  You know damn well I don't have any evidence to prove what my opinion is just as you cannot prove my opinion is wrong!
I am of the opinion that you had something to do with the abduction of Madeleine because contrary to forensic reports you are still of the opinion that Madeleine's parents have something to do with her death. I don't have any evidence to prove what my opinion is, just as you cannot prove my opinion is wrong.

See it works both ways.

You're entitled to your opinion however infantile and wrong that may be! Wrong in as much as I can easily prove I was not in Portugal at the time thereby proving your opinion is wrong!

amaraltheofficeboy

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Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #68 on: May 13, 2013, 06:10:00 PM »
If I had to place a large bet, I would place it on Maddie being killed in a fit of temper by Kate. Not deliberately killed but probably by having her head banged against a wall or similar. I believe Gerry knows exactly what happened and is 'standing by' his wife knowing she didn't mean to kill Maddie. I believe the Tapas bar saga is nothing more than an elaborate coverup.

The question was 'what do you think happened'; well that's my opinion. I hope I am wrong and Maddie is alive and well somewhere being cared for and loved.

As this is a 'Justice' forum and you are a senior member, perhaps you would share the logic and evidence that let's you reach that libellous conclusion.

The question was 'what do you THINK happened' to Madeliene.  I am perfectly entitled to express my opinion and there cannot possibly be anything libelous in that.

As for logic and evidence; my opinion is logical to me as I do not believe the McCanns and evidence is not a prerequisite to having an opinion.  You know damn well I don't have any evidence to prove what my opinion is just as you cannot prove my opinion is wrong!
I am of the opinion that you had something to do with the abduction of Madeleine because contrary to forensic reports you are still of the opinion that Madeleine's parents have something to do with her death. I don't have any evidence to prove what my opinion is, just as you cannot prove my opinion is wrong.

See it works both ways.

You're entitled to your opinion however infantile and wrong that may be! Wrong in as much as I can easily prove I was not in Portugal at the time thereby proving your opinion is wrong!

you said

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I do not believe the McCanns and evidence

I do not believe your alibi.

I don't need any evidence to form that opinion - according to you

debunker

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Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #69 on: May 13, 2013, 06:11:52 PM »
No, according to Mr. Grime, uncorroborated dog alerts do not need explaining, please see below:

"Every alert can be subject to interpretation, it has to be confirmed. The signals of an alert are only just that. Once the alert has been given by the dog, it is up to the investigator/forensic scientist to locate, identify and scientifically provide the evidence of DNA, etc. "

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

ETA If one needs to "explain" the dog alerts, why not start with the alert to the flower bed? Surely nobody would claim someone left a "cadaver" there in full view of the entire resort?
Mr Grime doesn't say uncorroborated alerts must be discarded, Mr Harrison says the dog is EVRD, it means he detects molecules, no collectable substance, i.e no possible forensic test. It's intelligence and a curious mind is founded to try and find some explanation.

Please quote exactly what he says about the meaning of a dog alert.

You have conflated to different statements and made it look like Grime made a statement that he did not in fact make.

Cite please, else we shall assume you are making this factoid into a myth.

amaraltheofficeboy

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Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #70 on: May 13, 2013, 06:12:11 PM »
see how stupid it is when people start placing large bets just on an opinion.

debunker

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Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #71 on: May 13, 2013, 06:15:08 PM »
If I had to place a large bet, I would place it on Maddie being killed in a fit of temper by Kate. Not deliberately killed but probably by having her head banged against a wall or similar. I believe Gerry knows exactly what happened and is 'standing by' his wife knowing she didn't mean to kill Maddie. I believe the Tapas bar saga is nothing more than an elaborate coverup.

The question was 'what do you think happened'; well that's my opinion. I hope I am wrong and Maddie is alive and well somewhere being cared for and loved.

As this is a 'Justice' forum and you are a senior member, perhaps you would share the logic and evidence that let's you reach that libellous conclusion.

The question was 'what do you THINK happened' to Madeliene.  I am perfectly entitled to express my opinion and there cannot possibly be anything libelous in that.

As for logic and evidence; my opinion is logical to me as I do not believe the McCanns and evidence is not a prerequisite to having an opinion.  You know damn well I don't have any evidence to prove what my opinion is just as you cannot prove my opinion is wrong!

'Opinion', depending on context, may be defamatory.


icabodcrane

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Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #72 on: May 13, 2013, 06:20:43 PM »
Pardon, but how on earth do you go about to find an explanation for uncorroborated dog alerts? As they are uncorroborated, nobody can explain what the dog alerted to, we simply don't know & most likely, we never will. What we're left with is speculation, which is OK, as long as one is aware that's all it is.
Oh yes, pure speculation, based though on the fact Eddie is an EVRD (that provides speculating with a certain justification). Mr Grime, in the film, even says that Eddie's alert in the parents' bedroom doesn't necessarily indicate a corpse was there, a draught could have sent there the volatiles molecules, trapped in the corner.
When someone disappears leaving no trace, no sign, no clue, one is entitled to wonder why the EVRD alerted in this flat and not in the others. Wonder, nothing else.

One is always entitled to wonder about things in this world, I fully agree  ?{)(**

One thing I personally wonder about is the following; you have two dogs, both who are said to be trained to alert to the scent of minuscule traces of human blood. Then you have a large holiday resort where thousands upon thousands of people pass through every year & have done so for a number of years and the ONLY apartment both these dogs alerted to was Apt 5A. That, if anything, needs some explaining....... >@@(*&)

I'm sure an expert will be along shortly to put me right, but this is my understanding of it Mrs B

If Keela, the blood dog had been trailed through the resort independently, then yes, she would have been alerting frequently

She was not though.  She was, in effect,  a  'check'  to Eddie, the cadavour dog

Where Eddie had already alerted, there was a possibility that he was alerting not to the  'scent of death'  but merely to blood

Consequently, Keela was brought in and used to establish whether or not it was blood that Eddie had alerted to

Where Keela 'jointly' alerted it was suggestive of blood being present

Where Keela did not alert   to an area in which Eddie had alerted,  it was suggestive that he had, indeed,  detected the scent of death  ( there being no blood present )

Offline Tim Invictus

Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #73 on: May 13, 2013, 06:26:51 PM »
see how stupid it is when people start placing large bets just on an opinion.

I didn't place any bet stupid nor did I ever suggest any of the friends were involved. The fact I can prove I wasn't in Portugal makes your opinion wrong but you cannot prove my opinion is wrong can you?

Why are the McCann Fan Club so hostile? People are entitled to express their opinions and many people do find the McCann's  untrustworthy especially with how they have handled the money good people have given to help the search for Madeliene. I don't think anyone who gave money expected that to be used to pay Kate and Gerry's mortgage!

The McCannettes remind me of the Bamberettes!

Redblossom

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Re: What do you think happened to Madeleine?
« Reply #74 on: May 13, 2013, 06:28:07 PM »

 

Don't forget there were eight other dogs involved in the search, months before Grime turned up. Can't remember now, how many dog hairs were found in 5A, along with the cigarette ash, from GNR chaps.

Where did you read that?