Eddie's alert in the garden

[pegasus]

Attracta Harron was Eddie's finest hour....but it seems he had very few hours

Can you name any finest hours of people who claim that cadaver dog alerts are incredibly unreliable?

[Mr Gray]

Can you name any finest hours of people who claim that cadaver dog alerts are incredibly unreliable?

The alerts in jersey and PDL seemed unreliable.....modesty prevents me listing my finest hours

[pegasus]

The alerts in jersey and PDL seemed unreliable.....modesty prevents me listing my finest hours

In Jersey in late 2008 "the new team in charge dismissed suggestions, made in February, that children could have been murdered or tortured at the care home."
Are you satisfied with this dismissal of the cadaver dog alerts, and with the new team's conclusion that no murderers or torturers were ever at that place?

[Alice Purjorick]

there is a difference in remnant scent and that emanating from a body that is still in situ....two completely different situations

Err, yes, and?

[pegasus]

Not sure about the finest hours of people.

(Genuinely) not sure about the dog.

But Grime's handling of the dog in PdL was atrocious.

Are you satisfied with his handling of the same dog at the diligence of several vehicles at Strabane?

[Lace]

No it hasnt Sadie
I have never read any back up proof for cadaver dogs alerting to pee, poo, sweat, nose snot, toenails, used plasters, pork chops, bacon, black pudding, dead birds,animals,pizza or mushrooms...ad infinitum

If you think logically, then these dogs would be barking non stop

No,  they would only alert when given the signal to search or whatever the handler would call it.   Otherwise Eddie would also be barking at someone who had a bloody tissue in his/her pocket etc.

They do alert to mushrooms and decaying vegetation.

[Mr Gray]

In Jersey in late 2008 "the new team in charge dismissed suggestions, made in February, that children could have been murdered or tortured at the care home."
Are you satisfied with this dismissal of the cadaver dog alerts, and with the new team's conclusion that no murderers or torturers were ever at that place?

I think there may have been abuse but no murders

[Brietta]

In Jersey in late 2008 "the new team in charge dismissed suggestions, made in February, that children could have been murdered or tortured at the care home."
Are you satisfied with this dismissal of the cadaver dog alerts, and with the new team's conclusion that no murderers or torturers were ever at that place?

Part of the problem for some in Jersey was that the cadaver and CSI dogs failed to substantiate the claims made of numerous murders committed in the children's home and the burial of the victims within the grounds.

They did their job, they found human decomposition, but forensic study of the items proved that there was no evidence that the alleged murders had happened.

They alerted to the things they were trained to among which were ...

• the infamous tissues
• historic human bone
• milk teeth
• an area where human ashes had been scattered

It is no reflection on the dogs if they fail to find what isn't there to be found.

[pegasus]

Part of the problem for some in Jersey was that the cadaver and CSI dogs failed to substantiate the claims made of numerous murders committed in the children's home and the burial of the victims within the grounds.

They did their job, they found human decomposition, but forensic study of the items proved that there was no evidence that the alleged murders had happened.

They alerted to the things they were trained to among which were ...

• the infamous tissues
• historic human bone
• milk teeth
• an area where human ashes had been scattered

It is no reflection on the dogs if they fail to find what isn't there to be found.

Might be an idea to peruse the HG visitor book, just on the offchance there is an entry that rings every alarm bell?

[mercury]

Part of the problem for some in Jersey was that the cadaver and CSI dogs failed to substantiate the claims made of numerous murders committed in the children's home and the burial of the victims within the grounds.

They did their job, they found human decomposition, but forensic study of the items proved that there was no evidence that the alleged murders had happened.

They alerted to the things they were trained to among which were ...

• the infamous tissues
• historic human bone
• milk teeth
• an area where human ashes had been scattered

It is no reflection on the dogs if they fail to find what isn't there to be found.

Dogs are not used to find evidence of murder, thats up to humans, theyare used to find evidence if death

[Mr Gray]

Dogs are not used to find evidence of murder, thats up to humans, theyare used to find evidence if death

dogs are used to find evidence
If a dog found a blood stained knife for instance

[slartibartfast]

dogs are used to find evidence
If a dog found a blood stained knife for instance

The dog alerts to the scent, the human finds the knife.

[Mr Gray]

The dog alerts to the scent, the human finds the knife.

The dogs are used to find evidence...not just of death...that's the point. The dog may well find the knife itself...you appear to be arguing for arguing sake


the whole point is the dogs are used to find evidence...not just evidence of death

[slartibartfast]

The dogs are used to find evidence...not just of death...that's the point. The dog may well find the knife itself...you appear to be arguing for arguing sake


the whole point is the dogs are used to find evidence...not just evidence of death

So you are suggesting that a dog will alert to a forensically clean knife?

Not arguing for the sake of it, just pointing out the flaw in your case.

[Mr Gray]

So you are suggesting that a dog will alert to a forensically clean knife?

Not arguing for the sake of it, just pointing out the flaw in your case.

no I said a blood stained knife..there is no flaw in my case...