Author Topic: Eddie's alert in the garden  (Read 81380 times)

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Offline pegasus

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #180 on: April 15, 2016, 04:36:38 PM »
(snip) Eddie clearly barks in the flower bed.
At 39 seconds for proof.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhgaJVARWz0
Probably some will claim that noise in the flowerbed is not necessarily a bark at all, and that the dog is just clearing his throat because he's tired out after a long pant, or he could be pining for the south yorkshire dales.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #181 on: April 15, 2016, 04:37:50 PM »
The proposition was that Eddie did not alert in the garden.
The Archiving Report says he did.
I merely pointed the proposition was incorrect and provided a link to the cite as per forum rules.
Whether you can find it in the archiving report and how you want to dress it up is no concern of mine.

You have misunderstood what it says in the report
Read it again

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #182 on: April 15, 2016, 04:47:36 PM »
You have misunderstood what it says in the report
Read it again
Just cut to the chase and tell us what you think it says.
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline pegasus

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #183 on: April 15, 2016, 04:47:53 PM »
Listening to the audio of this http://youtu.be/c4NMYPsFKb8?t=56m21s
56m25 Loud bark = Eddie alerts in flowerbed
56m43 "... to really sort of make him..."
56m48 "... root, it must have been right at the root..." (the root of the large climbing plant presumably)
56m51 "...can you ..... it when you come in? ..." (can anyone hear what that verb is please?)
56m55"... yeah I think so ..."
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ferryman

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Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #184 on: April 15, 2016, 04:58:07 PM »
So, in summary, the video evidence is that Eddie alerted in the garden.

But Grime makes no reference in anything he has written to the alert (or even the inspection, I don't think) in the garden

Why not?

Offline pegasus

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #185 on: April 15, 2016, 05:02:40 PM »
You have misunderstood what it says in the report
Read it again
Here is the relevant page of the Report which you are reading Davel.
Item 3 clearly states that the dog signalled in the garden.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P17/17_VOLUME_XVIIa_Page_4628.jpg

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #186 on: April 15, 2016, 05:32:12 PM »
Here is the relevant page of the Report which you are reading Davel.
Item 3 clearly states that the dog signalled in the garden.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P17/17_VOLUME_XVIIa_Page_4628.jpg


thanks...couldnt be bothered to look through it and hoped my post would produce just such a response

Offline misty

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #187 on: April 15, 2016, 05:42:29 PM »
Here is the relevant page of the Report which you are reading Davel.
Item 3 clearly states that the dog signalled in the garden.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P17/17_VOLUME_XVIIa_Page_4628.jpg


Would you please quote, from MG's written report, his observations about the nature of the alerts in the garden?

ferryman

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Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #188 on: April 15, 2016, 06:23:38 PM »
So the opening post asked for a link to Eddie's alert (in the garden) which was duly provided.

Where do we go from there?

Offline pegasus

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #189 on: April 15, 2016, 06:24:58 PM »

Would you please quote, from MG's written report, his observations about the nature of the alerts in the garden?
I am interested in facts, and here the fact is that Eddie very clearly barked while he was in the flowerbed. Eddie is completely logical. I prefer to independently interpret the facts that Eddie states on video - and not rely on other humans' interpretations thanks.

Offline pegasus

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #190 on: April 15, 2016, 06:31:02 PM »

thanks...couldnt be bothered to look through it and hoped my post would produce just such a response
as you will already have noted, "marcou" is defined as meaning "deu sinal".


ferryman

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Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #191 on: April 15, 2016, 06:31:32 PM »
I am interested in facts, and here the fact is that Eddie very clearly barked while he was in the flowerbed. Eddie is completely logical. I prefer to independently interpret the facts that Eddie states on video - and not rely on other humans' interpretations thanks.

Cuttings from the flower bed were sent to the FSS for analysis presumably for traces of Madeleine's blood.

I suppose the theory was that Madeleine might have fallen into the garden?

We are not off-topic, here, because the opening post places no restriction, beyond the alert in the garden.

I seem to recall it was an English technician who recommended that cuttings from the flower-bed be sent to the FSS.

I'm guessing they wanted to rule out that something dreadful befell Madeleine in the garden

That was ruled out.

Coming back to the central question, why did Eddie alert in the garden?

Offline pegasus

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #192 on: April 15, 2016, 06:42:29 PM »
So the opening post asked for a link to Eddie's alert (in the garden) which was duly provided.

Where do we go from there?
Next step is look at plausible scenarios which might result in Eddie signalling the flowerbed.
In the dog video, the panning of the camera after the alert, to show not only the 5A balcony above, but also the higher balconies and roof, implies that there was maybe an immediate hypothesis of some kind of fall? Also the next day coillection of branch material from the climbing plant and fibres from the wall near that plant implies there was possibly a hypothesis of a fall into the plant? I am not agreeing with those, just observing how the investigators were thinking.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #193 on: April 15, 2016, 06:48:02 PM »
I am interested in facts, and here the fact is that Eddie very clearly barked while he was in the flowerbed. Eddie is completely logical. I prefer to independently interpret the facts that Eddie states on video - and not rely on other humans' interpretations thanks.

We have seen and heard Eddie alerting in the apartment at the couch area.

Also in the corner of the bedroom.

We have seen and heard him alerting at the cupboard in the villa and his performance at the Renault was unforgettable.

We have seen him throwing clothes around in the gymnasium.

That little woof in the garden is surely a little bit of an anti climax in comparison.

Why did Martin Grime report on all the alerts ... but didn't mention any alert in the garden?

Merely an academic question as none of the alerts really mean a thing.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pegasus

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #194 on: April 15, 2016, 06:51:29 PM »
BTW this isn't my hypothesis, it's straight from the warning notice in the lounge..

What would happen, hypothetically, if a child climbed and fell over the railing just outside the south bedroom?
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