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Offline Carana

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #345 on: April 18, 2016, 04:09:14 PM »
They found more answers by doing further searches on clothes, vehicles etc.

I find the clothes analysis to be incomprehensible. I can't find any consistency between Eddie's reactions and what was noted by the PJ. For some reason, Grime said that he wasn't in possession of the details of what the dog alerted to.

Didn't Harrison keep a record?
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ferryman

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Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #346 on: April 18, 2016, 04:13:44 PM »
They found more answers by doing further searches on clothes, vehicles etc.

More answers?

By what convoluted route of (il)logic do you reach that conclusion?

Offline Brietta

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #347 on: April 18, 2016, 05:10:51 PM »
You don't know what was discussed after filming stopped. This was late at night in the dark. We know they went back to the garden to collect items.

We've seen the video ... we've heard the commentary ... we know Eddie may have been interested from that, but there was never any mention of an alert.
Maybe something added in translation?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

ferryman

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Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #348 on: April 18, 2016, 05:16:58 PM »
The most recent (literally today!) news confirms that Eddie's alert in the garden had nothing whatever to do with Madeleine ....

Offline Brietta

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #349 on: April 18, 2016, 05:35:37 PM »
I can understand that they didn't want to attract more attention than necessary, but what light were they actually trying to work from that night before someone eventually found a flashlight / torch?

How long had Eddie been in work mode by that time? Grime looks quite exhausted by then as well.

Something did seem to be of interest to Eddie, but his single barks seem in contrast to other occasions of multiple barks in quick succession.

Was the interest in the balcony a smell coming up from garden level that he couldn't quite pinpoint? If so, he showed interest at ground level, but again only isolated single barks.

Could he have been too tired at that point?

Were he and Keela taken back the next day?

If there had been any sign of digging in that small garden bed, wouldn't it have been noticeable?

If someone had dug up a mature climbing plant to bury something, wouldn't the bush have shown signs of ill health?

Was a crawl space or some kind of drain ever excluded?

If patio windows had been opened on occasion (almost certainly during summer lets), could whatever was in the garden bed have wafted up and accumulated in the flat?

Was a ground soil analysis ever done?

Lots of questions... few answers.

Risible that they filmed in the dark without proper lighting.

Agreed that Martin Grime looked Exhausted.

The garden was searched and not I imagine for the first time that night as it was the logical place to check for a child who might have wakened and wandered ...

**Snip
One hour into the search by holiday makers of the hotel and surrounding areas, about 23.00 hrs, Mr McKenzie approached the McCann's apartment from the bushes at the rear of the apartment.

He was searching the gardens. He did not know it was the McCann's apartment.

He saw Mr Gerry McCann standing alone in the doorway at the rear of the apartment talking on his mobile telephone.

Mr McCann was looking our over the swimming pool and did not see Mr McKenzie.

Mr McCann was absolutely distraught  ...
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GRAHAM-MCKENZIE.htm


As far as the construction of the flats is concerned I imagine being built on such a slope there would be a necessity for it to be well anchored.
All I could find about the foundation of such buildings was as follows ... and whether applicable to Praia da Luz I have no idea.

**snip
Construction of flats in Quinta de São Mateus Dafundo, Lisbon, Portugal

It was necessary to provide a gallery within the basements of flats to ensure access for restressing of the anchors in the future. Twenty-five load cells were also installed to monitor the actual load of the DYWIDAG Strand Anchors.
https://www.dywidag-systems.at/en/projects/project-details/article/quinta-de-saeo-mateus-dafundo-lisbon-portugal.html

I would imagine that there would also be access for the maintenance of other services.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #350 on: April 18, 2016, 05:49:02 PM »
I find the clothes analysis to be incomprehensible. I can't find any consistency between Eddie's reactions and what was noted by the PJ. For some reason, Grime said that he wasn't in possession of the details of what the dog alerted to.

Didn't Harrison keep a record?

The searches described in this document were limited to certain locations. Therefore, it can not be said that the concealed remains of Madeleine McCann are not within the village of Praia da Luz. During the first week of her disappearance the GNR tasked personnel to search through the village for the scenario of Madeleine still being alive. This involved visiting dwellings and business premises and a physical search of the refuse bins. A full scale re-search of the village is not currently advised due to its speculative nature and resource implications. Should new information or intelligence identify a specific location then it would be recommended to re-search it adopting the similar model of reconnaissance followed by a search using several detecting methods as detailed in this report to provide a high assurance of detection for a concealed body.
 
At the conclusion of this initial process of “clearing the ground under your feet” I am satisfied a systematic review and search procedure has been conducted and accurately recorded by the PJ.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Carana

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #351 on: April 18, 2016, 05:52:34 PM »
@ Brietta.

Agreed.

Not being very techie myself, an architect friend had a look at the layout and drew me two diagrams (since lost) of likely foundations. One involved what would apparently have been a very expensive solution and the other would have involved a gradually larger crawl space towards that end of the building.

The question my friend asked was whether anyone had contacted the architect responsible for a definitive answer. Still a good question... did the police ever do so?

Offline Brietta

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #352 on: April 18, 2016, 06:08:19 PM »
@ Brietta.

Agreed.

Not being very techie myself, an architect friend had a look at the layout and drew me two diagrams (since lost) of likely foundations. One involved what would apparently have been a very expensive solution and the other would have involved a gradually larger crawl space towards that end of the building.

The question my friend asked was whether anyone had contacted the architect responsible for a definitive answer. Still a good question... did the police ever do so?


My money would be on the cheaper option being used leaving the larger crawlspace underneath 5A similar to Casa Liliana.


**snip
Des Taylor, the British architect who built Casa Liliana in 1993, told police of its existence after realising they were examining the house, which is 80 yards from where Madeleine went missing.

**snip
The retired civil engineer, 78, said: "The house was built on a hill but it had to be horizontal, so there is a big space underneath. Effectively the entire living room has a hollow floor.
"It is a big room, nine metres long, five metres wide and one and a half metres deep.
"We didn't fill it in when we finished the house. We just put a paving slab over it and tiled the floor."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-455144/Madeleine-Police-swoop-Russian-experts-flat.html#ixzz46CNmhH2S





"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

ferryman

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Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #353 on: April 18, 2016, 06:13:02 PM »
The searches described in this document were limited to certain locations. Therefore, it can not be said that the concealed remains of Madeleine McCann are not within the village of Praia da Luz. During the first week of her disappearance the GNR tasked personnel to search through the village for the scenario of Madeleine still being alive. This involved visiting dwellings and business premises and a physical search of the refuse bins. A full scale re-search of the village is not currently advised due to its speculative nature and resource implications. Should new information or intelligence identify a specific location then it would be recommended to re-search it adopting the similar model of reconnaissance followed by a search using several detecting methods as detailed in this report to provide a high assurance of detection for a concealed body.
 
At the conclusion of this initial process of “clearing the ground under your feet” I am satisfied a systematic review and search procedure has been conducted and accurately recorded by the PJ.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

We know that (at least in parts) the procedure was not accurately recorded by the PJ.

The PJ did not accurately record the inspection in the gym (for example) although the still greater scandal is that there was inspection in the gym at all ....

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #354 on: April 18, 2016, 06:45:46 PM »
The most recent (literally today!) news confirms that Eddie's alert in the garden had nothing whatever to do with Madeleine ....

Give us a clue. Where did that non sequitur come from?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

ferryman

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Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #355 on: April 18, 2016, 06:48:35 PM »
Give us a clue. Where did that non sequitur come from?

Most people don't need a clue ...

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #356 on: April 18, 2016, 06:52:50 PM »
Most people don't need a clue ...
Only in ferrymanland...
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline pegasus

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #357 on: April 18, 2016, 07:19:24 PM »
Most people don't need a clue ...
Ah are you referring to the HWG?

ferryman

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Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
« Reply #358 on: April 18, 2016, 07:50:49 PM »
HWG?

Offline pegasus

Re: Eddie's alert in the garden
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