Pamela Fenn, two questions:

[ferryman]

On this crying from the apartment, here is what I base my scepticism on:

Last night the McCanns got a boost when the police case appeared to be undermined by a pensioner who is potentially a key witness.


Pamela Fenn, 81, lives above the apartment where Madeleine disappeared and is reported to have told police she heard Madeleine screaming below.


But yesterday she broke her silence to say it was "absolute rubbish" she had made any such claims to police. Mrs Fenn said: "I didn't even know that family was in there."


At the time Mrs Fenn lodged her complaint (about the crime of which she was a victim), the McCanns weren't in there. 

There is the semantic alternative of I knew a family was in there, but not that family.

But why would Mrs Fenn say that?

Certainly, by the time of her interview, Mrs Fenn was in absolutely no doubt that family was in there.

Why say anything to the press at all?

We'd have to find that audio clip again, FM.

From memory, the "rubbish" was about media allegations.

ETA: I think Martha already posted the clip here.

The video clip has probably been edited to cut out the vital bits and marry up to a blog of Textusa.

Whoever wrote that newspaper article would have absolutely no reason to invent a detail such as that Mrs Fenn said she didn't know the family was in there.

Bloggers with an agenda, different matter ...

[Carana]

On this crying from the apartment, here is what I base my scepticism on:

Last night the McCanns got a boost when the police case appeared to be undermined by a pensioner who is potentially a key witness.


Pamela Fenn, 81, lives above the apartment where Madeleine disappeared and is reported to have told police she heard Madeleine screaming below.


But yesterday she broke her silence to say it was "absolute rubbish" she had made any such claims to police. Mrs Fenn said: "I didn't even know that family was in there."


At the time Mrs Fenn lodged her complaint (about the crime of which she was a victim), the McCanns weren't in there. 

There is the semantic alternative of I knew a family was in there, but not that family.

But why would Mrs Fenn say that?

Certainly, by the time of her interview, Mrs Fenn was in absolutely no doubt that family was in there.

Why say anything to the press at all?

We'd have to find that audio clip again, FM.

From memory, the "rubbish" was about media allegations.

ETA: I think Martha already posted the clip here.

The video clip has probably been edited to cut out the vital bits and marry up to a blog of Textusa.

Whoever wrote that newspaper article would have absolutely no reason to invent a detail such as that Mrs Fenn said she didn't know the family was in there.

Bloggers with an agenda, different matter ...

[ferryman]

On this crying from the apartment, here is what I base my scepticism on:

Last night the McCanns got a boost when the police case appeared to be undermined by a pensioner who is potentially a key witness.


Pamela Fenn, 81, lives above the apartment where Madeleine disappeared and is reported to have told police she heard Madeleine screaming below.


But yesterday she broke her silence to say it was "absolute rubbish" she had made any such claims to police. Mrs Fenn said: "I didn't even know that family was in there."


At the time Mrs Fenn lodged her complaint (about the crime of which she was a victim), the McCanns weren't in there. 

There is the semantic alternative of I knew a family was in there, but not that family.

But why would Mrs Fenn say that?

Certainly, by the time of her interview, Mrs Fenn was in absolutely no doubt that family was in there.

Why say anything to the press at all?

We'd have to find that audio clip again, FM.

From memory, the "rubbish" was about media allegations.

ETA: I think Martha already posted the clip here.

The video clip has probably been edited to cut out the vital bits and marry up to a blog of Textusa.

Whoever wrote that newspaper article would have absolutely no reason to invent a detail such as that Mrs Fenn said she didn't know the family was in there.

Bloggers with an agenda, different matter ...

That's you-tube ...

[Redblossom]

http://Http://videos.sapo.pt/p35nmzFZcMTW0GHD0mHV

Same??

[Carana]

On this crying from the apartment, here is what I base my scepticism on:

Last night the McCanns got a boost when the police case appeared to be undermined by a pensioner who is potentially a key witness.


Pamela Fenn, 81, lives above the apartment where Madeleine disappeared and is reported to have told police she heard Madeleine screaming below.


But yesterday she broke her silence to say it was "absolute rubbish" she had made any such claims to police. Mrs Fenn said: "I didn't even know that family was in there."


At the time Mrs Fenn lodged her complaint (about the crime of which she was a victim), the McCanns weren't in there. 

There is the semantic alternative of I knew a family was in there, but not that family.

But why would Mrs Fenn say that?

Certainly, by the time of her interview, Mrs Fenn was in absolutely no doubt that family was in there.

Why say anything to the press at all?

We'd have to find that audio clip again, FM.

From memory, the "rubbish" was about media allegations.

ETA: I think Martha already posted the clip here.

The video clip has probably been edited to cut out the vital bits and marry up to a blog of Textusa.

Whoever wrote that newspaper article would have absolutely no reason to invent a detail such as that Mrs Fenn said she didn't know the family was in there.

Bloggers with an agenda, different matter ...

That's you-tube ...

Yes, it's YouTube, but it was the clip from national TV, which then moved on...

[ferryman]

On this crying from the apartment, here is what I base my scepticism on:

Last night the McCanns got a boost when the police case appeared to be undermined by a pensioner who is potentially a key witness.


Pamela Fenn, 81, lives above the apartment where Madeleine disappeared and is reported to have told police she heard Madeleine screaming below.


But yesterday she broke her silence to say it was "absolute rubbish" she had made any such claims to police. Mrs Fenn said: "I didn't even know that family was in there."


At the time Mrs Fenn lodged her complaint (about the crime of which she was a victim), the McCanns weren't in there. 

There is the semantic alternative of I knew a family was in there, but not that family.

But why would Mrs Fenn say that?

Certainly, by the time of her interview, Mrs Fenn was in absolutely no doubt that family was in there.

Why say anything to the press at all?

We'd have to find that audio clip again, FM.

From memory, the "rubbish" was about media allegations.

ETA: I think Martha already posted the clip here.

The video clip has probably been edited to cut out the vital bits and marry up to a blog of Textusa.

Whoever wrote that newspaper article would have absolutely no reason to invent a detail such as that Mrs Fenn said she didn't know the family was in there.

Bloggers with an agenda, different matter ...

That's you-tube ...

Yes, it's YouTube, but it was the clip from national TV, which then moved on...

My point is, cannot You-tube clips be edited?

Because what we see doesn't contain the remark attributed to Mrs Fenn in the paper, need that mean she never said it?

Or could it just have been edited out?

[Redblossom]

It is more likely that a newspaper article has misrepresented facts rather than someone editing a video for youtube when it can easily be compared to the original

After all these threads I still dont understand your main problem here, it must be a big one to entail you alledging even if in just your opinion that Mrs Fenns statement was deliberately corrupted, Mrs Glynn may not actully exist, and other suspicions

[ferryman]

It is more likely that a newspaper article has misrepresented facts rather than someone editing a video for youtube when it can easily be compared to the original

After all these threads I still dont understand your main problem here, it must be a big one to entail you alledging even if in just your opinion that Mrs Fenns statement was deliberately corrupted, Mrs Glynn may not actully exist, and other suspicions

In this instance, it is far more likely to be bloggers than the newspapers misrepresenting facts.

Especially at that juncture, the papers had no particular agenda to do the McCanns any favours, as one or two of them found out later ...

[AnneGuedes]

Redblossom, I don't understand either. Unless..
What Mrs McCann says about Mrs Fenn, the length of the crying (though she wasn't there) and the day of the crying is one thing and what Mrs Fenn says on the same topics another one.

[Carana]

That clip seems to be all that was shown. Editing would seem to have been by the TV station as it's not clear what questions were actually asked. She clearly denies having spoken to journalists.

[Redblossom]

It is more likely that a newspaper article has misrepresented facts rather than someone editing a video for youtube when it can easily be compared to the original

After all these threads I still dont understand your main problem here, it must be a big one to entail you alledging even if in just your opinion that Mrs Fenns statement was deliberately corrupted, Mrs Glynn may not actully exist, and other suspicions

In this instance, it is far more likely to be bloggers than the newspapers misrepresenting facts.

Especially at that juncture, the papers had no particular agenda to do the McCanns any favours, as one or two of them found out later ...

And the evidence is?....

[ferryman]

It is more likely that a newspaper article has misrepresented facts rather than someone editing a video for youtube when it can easily be compared to the original

After all these threads I still dont understand your main problem here, it must be a big one to entail you alledging even if in just your opinion that Mrs Fenns statement was deliberately corrupted, Mrs Glynn may not actully exist, and other suspicions

In this instance, it is far more likely to be bloggers than the newspapers misrepresenting facts.

Especially at that juncture, the papers had no particular agenda to do the McCanns any favours, as one or two of them found out later ...

And the evidence is?....

The fact that Mrs Fenn is on record as saying she didn't know a family was in the holiday apartment below.

[registrar]

It is more likely that a newspaper article has misrepresented facts rather than someone editing a video for youtube when it can easily be compared to the original

After all these threads I still dont understand your main problem here, it must be a big one to entail you alledging even if in just your opinion that Mrs Fenns statement was deliberately corrupted, Mrs Glynn may not actully exist, and other suspicions

articles of faith:

to the supporters: Mrs. Fenn must be wrong

to the detractors: The dogs are right (usually followed by woof woof)

I was contacted by a Mirror Forum poster in June 2007 who claimed to be an ex-pat living in Luz who told me
that the kids were crying every night that holiday

He/she asked me to put this on the forum - which I did with the caveat that that was just an unsubstantiated opinion piece of an unknown source

Guess what - all hell broke lose - and that was at a time when the Mirror forum had ca. 7000 regular posters

I don't do articles of faith - hence my relaxed attitude to the proceedings at large - it'll all come out in the wash

[AnneGuedes]

The fact that Mrs Fenn is on record as saying she didn't know a family was in the holiday apartment below.

And then ?

[Redblossom]

Redblossom, I don't understand either. Unless..
What Mrs McCann says about Mrs Fenn, the length of the crying (though she wasn't there) and the day of the crying is one thing and what Mrs Fenn says on the same topics another one.

Probably. Can think of no other reason. Related to this though is Russell Obrien being three doors down at the time, Unless he was in a deep sleep, it being deadly quiet around there, you would think he would have heard something.