Pamela Fenn, two questions:

[ferryman]

So  FM your evidence provided is a misquoted or deliberately falsified snippet out of a red rag? Well you carry on believing it then if it makes you happy, the real evidence demolishes your fantasies

If you prefer to listen to bloggers of heaven knows what credentials, by my guest.

Your prerogative ...

[Redblossom]

Thanks Red.

BTW the news report appears to havebeen made on sic on 22 august

So that was the day after her statement, was made. How odd 

Mrs Fenns statement, taken in Praia da Luz on the 20th of August 2007:

2 days later, but pass

[Redblossom]

So  FM your evidence provided is a misquoted or deliberately falsified snippet out of a red rag? Well you carry on believing it then if it makes you happy, the real evidence demolishes your fantasies

If you prefer to listen to bloggers of heaven knows what credentials, by my guest.

Your prerogative ...

You are evading legit questions and comments and throwing it back on bloggers and assuming I read and or believe them, try harder FM, please do, your evidende to date that videos have been doctored and mrs fenns statement doctored, is a resounding......zilch, sometimes it better to give  it up when there is NO foundation apart from ones own fantasies, im out of this totally pointless thread but you are free and indebted to prove to the board the FACTS and EVIDENCE for all doctoring, misrepresentation and fabrication going on in this little saga of yours
 

[ferryman]

Actually, in Portugal, the dead can be defamed.

?

I will grant that wikipedia is not always the most reliable source.

But a gauge of how reliable a wikipedia article is, is how well referenced it is.

This article is well referenced and it says:

Portugal [edit]
In Portugal, defamation crimes are: "defamation" (article 180 of the Penal Code; up to six months in prison, or a fine of up to 240 days), "injuries" (art. 181; up to 3 months in prison, or a fine up to 120 days), and "offense to the memory of a deceased person" (art. 185; up to 6 months in prison or a fine of up 240 days). Penalties are aggravated in cases with publicity (art. 183; up to two years in prison or at least 120 days of fine) and when the victim is an authority (art.184; all other penalties aggravated by an extra half). There is yet the extra penalty of "public knowledge of the court decision" (costs paid by the defamer) (art. 189 of Penal Code) and also the crime of "incitation of a crime" (article 297; up to 3 years in prison, or fine).[71][72]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

[Carana]

Anne, what did the two or so sentences say by the TV reporter before her reply?

The reporter says that the PJ wanted to know whether Mrs Fenn had seen TPs going towards the building to check on children and also what was about her short talk with Mrs McCann on that night.

Thanks, Anne.


Just reading up, was this recorded just after she'd made her statement in August?

[registrar]

Actually, in Portugal, the dead can be defamed.

?

I will grant that wikipedia is not always the most reliable source.

But a gauge of how reliable a wikipedia article is, is how well referenced it is.

This article is well referenced and it says:

Portugal [edit]
In Portugal, defamation crimes are: "defamation" (article 180 of the Penal Code; up to six months in prison, or a fine of up to 240 days), "injuries" (art. 181; up to 3 months in prison, or a fine up to 120 days), and "offense to the memory of a deceased person" (art. 185; up to 6 months in prison or a fine of up 240 days). Penalties are aggravated in cases with publicity (art. 183; up to two years in prison or at least 120 days of fine) and when the victim is an authority (art.184; all other penalties aggravated by an extra half). There is yet the extra penalty of "public knowledge of the court decision" (costs paid by the defamer) (art. 189 of Penal Code) and also the crime of "incitation of a crime" (article 297; up to 3 years in prison, or fine).[71][72]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

wiki eh?

I see the strenght of your argument

Not

[ferryman]

Actually, in Portugal, the dead can be defamed.

?

I will grant that wikipedia is not always the most reliable source.

But a gauge of how reliable a wikipedia article is, is how well referenced it is.

This article is well referenced and it says:

Portugal [edit]
In Portugal, defamation crimes are: "defamation" (article 180 of the Penal Code; up to six months in prison, or a fine of up to 240 days), "injuries" (art. 181; up to 3 months in prison, or a fine up to 120 days), and "offense to the memory of a deceased person" (art. 185; up to 6 months in prison or a fine of up 240 days). Penalties are aggravated in cases with publicity (art. 183; up to two years in prison or at least 120 days of fine) and when the victim is an authority (art.184; all other penalties aggravated by an extra half). There is yet the extra penalty of "public knowledge of the court decision" (costs paid by the defamer) (art. 189 of Penal Code) and also the crime of "incitation of a crime" (article 297; up to 3 years in prison, or fine).[71][72]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

wiki eh?

I see the strenght of your argument

Not

Keep digging, registra ...

[ferryman]

So  FM your evidence provided is a misquoted or deliberately falsified snippet out of a red rag? Well you carry on believing it then if it makes you happy, the real evidence demolishes your fantasies

If you prefer to listen to bloggers of heaven knows what credentials, by my guest.

Your prerogative ...

You are evading legit questions and comments and throwing it back on bloggers and assuming I read and or believe them, try harder FM, please do, your evidende to date that videos have been doctored and mrs fenns statement doctored, is a resounding......zilch, sometimes it better to give  it up when there is NO foundation apart from onea own fantasies, im out of this totally pointless thread
 

When you start trying (as a verb) and quit trying (adjective) I may up my work rate slightly.

At the moment I am idling ...

[Carana]

Thanks Red.

BTW the news report appears to havebeen made on sic on 22 august

So that was the day after her statement, was made. How odd 

Mrs Fenns statement, taken in Praia da Luz on the 20th of August 2007:

How did you find that? I was about to check.

[Redblossom]

So  FM your evidence provided is a misquoted or deliberately falsified snippet out of a red rag? Well you carry on believing it then if it makes you happy, the real evidence demolishes your fantasies

If you prefer to listen to bloggers of heaven knows what credentials, by my guest.

Your prerogative ...

You are evading legit questions and comments and throwing it back on bloggers and assuming I read and or believe them, try harder FM, please do, your evidende to date that videos have been doctored and mrs fenns statement doctored, is a resounding......zilch, sometimes it better to give  it up when there is NO foundation apart from onea own fantasies, im out of this totally pointless thread
 

When you start trying (as a verb) and quit trying (adjective) I may up my work rate slightly.

At the moment I am idling ...

Your attempts at anything to date have been pretty pathetic, I doubt anyone is listening to you anymore on this little personal and pointless vendetta, again NO evidence provided for anything alledged, thats pretty much 0/10 from where I am and Im sure others are sitting. Have fun though trying to retain any little credibility you have left here, if there was any at all
 

Oh and BTW the only trying I will do is trying to ignore your convoluted machnations from now on

[DCI]

Thanks Red.

BTW the news report appears to havebeen made on sic on 22 august

So that was two days after her statement, was made. How odd 

Mrs Fenns statement, taken in Praia da Luz on the 20th of August 2007:

ETA Error pointed out by Red

How did you find that? I was about to check.

[DCI]

Thanks Red.

BTW the news report appears to havebeen made on sic on 22 august

So that was two days after her statement, was made. How odd 

Mrs Fenns statement, taken in Praia da Luz on the 20th of August 2007:

ETA Error pointed out by Red

How did you find that? I was about to check.

Red posted it up 

[ferryman]

Thanks Red.

BTW the news report appears to havebeen made on sic on 22 august

So that was the day after her statement, was made. How odd 

Mrs Fenns statement, taken in Praia da Luz on the 20th of August 2007:

How did you find that? I was about to check.

News report 22 August

Statement to PJ 20 August.

So 2 days after her statement to the PJ Mrs Fenn goes on record to deny knowing that the holiday apartment was occupied.

Tending to reinforce the view of something awry with the written version of Mrs Fenn's statement we read ...

[DCI]

Thanks Red.

BTW the news report appears to havebeen made on sic on 22 august

So that was the day after her statement, was made. How odd 

Mrs Fenns statement, taken in Praia da Luz on the 20th of August 2007:

How did you find that? I was about to check.

News report 22 August

Statement to PJ 20 August.

So 2 days after her statement to the PJ Mrs Fenn goes on record to deny knowing that the holiday apartment was occupied.

Tending to reinforce the view of something awry with the written version of Mrs Fenn's statement we read ...

My thoughts, too, Ferryman.

I could have sworn too, that Mrs Fenn's statement, included her saying "I knew the exact time, as I was watching News at Ten".

[Carana]

Actually, in Portugal, the dead can be defamed.

?

I will grant that wikipedia is not always the most reliable source.

But a gauge of how reliable a wikipedia article is, is how well referenced it is.

This article is well referenced and it says:

Portugal [edit]
In Portugal, defamation crimes are: "defamation" (article 180 of the Penal Code; up to six months in prison, or a fine of up to 240 days), "injuries" (art. 181; up to 3 months in prison, or a fine up to 120 days), and "offense to the memory of a deceased person" (art. 185; up to 6 months in prison or a fine of up 240 days). Penalties are aggravated in cases with publicity (art. 183; up to two years in prison or at least 120 days of fine) and when the victim is an authority (art.184; all other penalties aggravated by an extra half). There is yet the extra penalty of "public knowledge of the court decision" (costs paid by the defamer) (art. 189 of Penal Code) and also the crime of "incitation of a crime" (article 297; up to 3 years in prison, or fine).[71][72]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation

wiki eh?

I see the strenght of your argument

Not

I'm not certain that the PT criminal code that I've just consulted is the latest version  (and it does keep changing), but Ferryman seems to be correct that defamation of the deceased is indeed an offence in Portugal.

Artigo 185o
Ofensa à memória de pessoa falecida
1 - Quem, por qualquer forma, ofender gravemente a memória de pessoa falecida é punido com pena de prisão até 6 meses ou com pena de multa até 240 dias.
2 - É correspondentemente aplicável o disposto:
a) Nos nos 2, 3 e 4 do artigo 180o; e
b) No artigo 183o.
3 - A ofensa não é punível quando tiverem decorrido mais de 50 anos sobre o falecimento. (Redacção da Lei no 65/98, de 2 de Setembro)


ETA: And I don't see where Ferryman has defamed her.