Mark Williams-Thomas suggests Madeleine woke, wandered and was abducted.

[stephen25000]

you are referring to  second hand double translation...no wonder you conclusions are skewed

You will have to do a lot better than that.

[Mr Gray]

You will have to do a lot better than that.

I won't

[Lace]

As you realize Lace, Jassi means the mccann supporters.

I do know what jassi meant Stephen,  I find it very immature,   we are debating the McCann case and there are people who believe the McCann's side of the story or they don't,  to keep having some refer to those who believe the McCann story as holding the McCann's up as some sort of saints etc.   is just in my opinion so childish.  Just debate if you have nothing to say in retaliation then say nothing,  or I will just comment back that you seem to idolise Amaral.

[Benice]

As you realize Lace, Jassi means the mccann supporters.

IMO the McCanns have told the truth.    Bearing in mind the fallibilty of memory -  whether their memories of what happened are totally accurate, or whether what they have said has been reported/translated accurately is another thing.

It's obvious SY believe them to be truthful, as they would not have ruled them out of the enquiry.   Also SY are in the position of being able to investigate/ clarify any discrepancies etc with the actual witnesses concerned.   A massive advantage not open to the rest of us but which is always forgotten by some sceptics - who seem to be convinced that the public have exactly the same information/knowledge as SY - not to mention exactly the same expertise as the professional police officers of SY.    A totally unrealistic standpoint IMO.   

[stephen25000]

IMO the McCanns have told the truth.    Bearing in mind the fallibilty of memory -  whether their memories of what happened are totally accurate, or whether what they have said has been reported/translated accurately is another thing.

It's obvious SY believe them to be truthful, as they would not have ruled them out of the enquiry.   Also SY are in the position of being able to investigate/ clarify any discrepancies etc with the actual witnesses concerned.   A massive advantage not open to the rest of us but which is always forgotten by some sceptics - who seem to be convinced that the public have exactly the same information/knowledge as SY - not to mention exactly the same expertise as the professional police officers of SY.    A totally unrealistic standpoint IMO.

You believe it is the truth, because you support the mccanns.

In actuality you don't know.

[carlymichelle]

You believe it is the truth, because you support the mccanns.

In actuality you don't know.

exactly and what attracts them to gerry and kate?

[Mr Gray]

You believe it is the truth, because you support the mccanns.

In actuality you don't know.

we believe the mccanns in the same way as SY do.....Based on the evidence..the justice system is based on belief as I have explained to you before

[Benice]

You believe it is the truth, because you support the mccanns.

In actuality you don't know.

I have no particular feelings either way about the McCanns.   You are fantasizing when you make that ludicrous assertion.   I don't like cruel, spiteful people who get pleasure out of other folks misfortune - just as I don't agree with kangaroo courts and lynch mob mentality.    I believe in the concept of innocent until proved guilty.  I don't believe that anyone should be accused of being guilty when there is no evidence against them.

There is no evidence against the McCanns of any crime - and anyone who thinks there ever will be -  is going to be very disappointed IMO.

[stephen25000]

we believe the mccanns in the same way as SY do.....Based on the evidence..the justice system is based on belief as I have explained to you before

Yet, with the mccanns story, SY have failed to find Madeleine or how she disappeared.

[stephen25000]

exactly and what attracts them to gerry and kate?

Just look on the forums which support them

[Lace]

exactly and what attracts them to gerry and kate?

What attracts YOU to Gerry and Kate?

[Benice]

exactly and what attracts them to gerry and kate?

I am not at all  'attracted' to the McCanns.  Why should I be?   Please explain.

My main reason for posting on this case is because I have been appalled at the downright  lies, rumours and gossip which have been accepted by some people to be facts - and who then gleefully use those so called  'facts' to hound the family of a missing child.    I would feel exactly the same if  Kerry Needham or Coral Jones were being subjected to the same cruel, vile behaviour year in year out.   

   

[carlymichelle]

I am not at all  'attracted' to the McCanns.  Why should I be?   Please explain.

My main reason for posting on this case is because I have been appalled at the downright  lies, rumours and gossip which have been accepted by some people to be facts - and who then gleefully use those so called  'facts' to hound the family of a missing child.    I would feel exactly the same if  Kerry Needham or Coral Jones were being subjected to the same cruel, vile behaviour year in year out.   

 

do you  accept  that without the mcanns  lack of childcare she wouldnt be missing?

[faithlilly]

Unlikely to be able to do so without trace.
She had to get through the patio sliding door - not reported as being sufficiently open for a child to get through when Kate arrives for her visit.
Then she has to get through/over the child gate, which I think opens outwards, so tricky to manage in the dark. Again, gate reported as closed.

And if the first person to do a visual check had found the patio door open and Madeleine absent from the apartment. Do you think he would have admitted it ?

[jassi]

And if the first person to do a visual check had found the patio door open and Madeleine absent from the apartment. Do you think he would have admitted it ?

If it were Matt, then how would he know exactly how the patio door had been left  by Gerry?