Has the reward money for the safe return of Madeleine McCann been dropped?

[icabodcrane]

This is a goading comment.  Gilet has made it perfectly clear in previous posts that amateur opinion on this matter is irrelevant, so it is pointless and offensive to continue pressing this member for his/her personal opinion.

Expressing an interest in a fellow member's opinion is goading and  offensive   ? 

[gilet]

Having clearly outlined my opinion earlier more than once for the benefit of Icabodcrane, I agree that the goading post is both pointless and offensive.

Pointless in the sense that it is repetitive and a complete waste of time because I have answered previously. And offensive in that it suggests that my response has either been ignored by Icabodcrane or he is deliberately seeking to goad me beyond what I wish to post by his silly repetition.


 

[Angelo222]

Gilet, you are very capable of goading if your latest late evening posts are anything to go by.  You have continually sought to harass Red at every opportunity and then play the abused card when she reacts.

Back on topic, this constant reference by pros to experts and the McCanns is pure bull.  Their so called experts have shown themselves to be a useless bunch who have not even achieved anything.  Yet we have constant drivel rolled out that the McCanns are only doing what they are advised.  Its all far too convenient.

The McCanns have nothing to lose but everything to gain from offering a reward.  Time they started taking a pro active instead of a passive part in searching for their daughter.

[AnneGuedes]

I am sure that the McCanns and their advisers have discussed this subject at length. Since they were conned by Metodo, I am sure that their advisers have been better chosen.

Gilet isn't the only poster who uses the authoritarian "I am sure". How can one be sure about what other people have or not done, thought or not thought... ? Unless being very intimate, I don't see how.
Nobody is deluded but it hampers the debate, imo.

[gilet]

Gilet, you are very capable of goading if your latest late evening posts are anything to go by.  You have continually sought to harass Red at every opportunity and then play the abused card when she reacts.

Back on topic, this constant reference by pros to experts and the McCanns is pure bull.  Their so called experts have shown themselves to be a useless bunch who have not even achieved anything.  Yet we have constant drivel rolled out that the McCanns are only doing what they are advised.  Its all far too convenient.

The McCanns have nothing to lose but everything to gain from offering a reward.  Time they started taking a pro active instead of a passive part in searching for their daughter.

I find the idea of you posting this immediately after donning your "moderator" hat to excise content from my post above yours quite revealing.

My posts to Redblossom are wholly written to elicit truth, not as you say to goad others.

The fact that you have completely ignored the goading by someone else on this very thread is also very revealing.

Your amateur opinion that a reward would be of value is simply that, an amateur's opinion on a forum. Of relevance only as far as such can go.

My reference to the fact that the McCanns having been advised by experts and my willingness to respect their decision based on that is my opinion, and is of EQUAL VALUE to yours.

The fact that you attempt to trash the views of experts with your none-too-subtle term "bull" is interesting.  Whilst it is clear that in this case there has been no success in finding the child as yet, you are ignoring the possibilities that the experts consulted may have achieved success in other cases you are unaware of and you are ignoring the fact that there is potential current progress in this case as SY reveal areas which clearly were overlooked by the PJ in their bungled investigation.

I would appreciate it, Angelo, given the fact that this is a direct response to your post, that you did not edit this post and if you feel it should be edited, would report it to another moderator for an unbiased decision.

[gilet]

I am sure that the McCanns and their advisers have discussed this subject at length. Since they were conned by Metodo, I am sure that their advisers have been better chosen.

Gilet isn't the only poster who uses the authoritarian "I am sure". How can one be sure about what other people have or not done, thought or not thought... ? Unless being very intimate, I don't see how.
Nobody is deluded but it hampers the debate, imo.

Are you seriously suggesting that the McCanns have not discussed this issue with advisers?

If you are then I suggest you look to yourself for the delusion rather than in my posts.

My use of the phrase "I am sure" in this instance has nothing to do with "being very intimate", but everything to do with intelligent consideration of the situation and coming to a logical conclusion about it.

[Eleanor]

Oh, I gedit.  Angelo, along with a few others, think that The McCanns should sell their Mansion and offer the money as a Reward.  Where else is the money going to come from?
Sad to say that The Mansion is mortgaged up to the hilt, and The McCanns have to live somewhere.  And No, there is no logical reason for why they should live on a sink estate in Liverpool.

[Mo Stache]

Oh, I gedit.  Angelo, along with a few others, think that The McCanns should sell their Mansion and offer the money as a Reward.  Where else is the money going to come from?
Sad to say that The Mansion is mortgaged up to the hilt, and The McCanns have to live somewhere.  And No, there is no logical reason for why they should live on a sink estate in Liverpool.

Not only that, but that they should be searching in Portugal; digging up others backyards and knocking on doors, handing out posters and travelling to Spain and nearby countries to do the same. Sounds to me, all they really want is for the McCann's to leave the UK and be arrested for unlawful searches elsewhere.   

[Angelo222]

Oh, I gedit.  Angelo, along with a few others, think that The McCanns should sell their Mansion and offer the money as a Reward.  Where else is the money going to come from?
Sad to say that The Mansion is mortgaged up to the hilt, and The McCanns have to live somewhere.  And No, there is no logical reason for why they should live on a sink estate in Liverpool.

Not only that, but that they should be searching in Portugal; digging up others backyards and knocking on doors, handing out posters and travelling to Spain and nearby countries to do the same. Sounds to me, all they really want is for the McCann's to leave the UK and be arrested for unlawful searches elsewhere.   

Why do you insist on posting such total tosh, are you threatened by the suggestion that the McCann clan should get out to Portugal and look for their child??

It isn't a case of searching property or digging up anything but that comment in itself is very revealing.  Is she dead?

[Angelo222]

Oh, I gedit.  Angelo, along with a few others, think that The McCanns should sell their Mansion and offer the money as a Reward.  Where else is the money going to come from?
Sad to say that The Mansion is mortgaged up to the hilt, and The McCanns have to live somewhere.  And No, there is no logical reason for why they should live on a sink estate in Liverpool.

So the reward fund is defunct after all??  Maybe they should go on daytime TV with Lorraine Kelly and appeal for donations for a new one?   And what is wrong with the people who live on sink estates in Liverpool?    Don't the McCanns come from the very same environment in Glasgow or a thatched cottage in Donegal?? 

Tut tut Eleanor   

[AnneGuedes]

I am sure that the McCanns and their advisers have discussed this subject at length. Since they were conned by Metodo, I am sure that their advisers have been better chosen.

Gilet isn't the only poster who uses the authoritarian "I am sure". How can one be sure about what other people have or not done, thought or not thought... ? Unless being very intimate, I don't see how.
Nobody is deluded but it hampers the debate, imo.

Are you seriously suggesting that the McCanns have not discussed this issue with advisers?

If you are then I suggest you look to yourself for the delusion rather than in my posts.

My use of the phrase "I am sure" in this instance has nothing to do with "being very intimate", but everything to do with intelligent consideration of the situation and coming to a logical conclusion about it.

I don't know, Gilet, and you don't as well. You're just speculating however brightly you pretend to do it...
Words have a weight that must be respected unless chaos is the purpose.

[Redblossom]

Maybe  the award advertising was dropped because after they were made arguidos the benefactors for it changed their minds? And withdrew their offers? Might be true. The vatican removed their page on Madeleine then and Esther McVey resigned as spokeswoman for their fund in Jan 2008 and removed reference to them on her website as well
 >@@(*&)

[icabodcrane]

I have yet to see anyone put up a reasonable argument against offering a reward

All we have had so far are allusions to unknown  'experts'  who 'know best'

( this,  despite the the fact that following this  'expert advise'  has got the McCanns nowhere nearer finding Madeleine )

[Benice]

I have yet to see anyone put up a reasonable argument against offering a reward

All we have had so far are allusions to unknown  'experts'  who 'know best'

( this,  despite the the fact that following this  'expert advise'  has got the McCanns nowhere nearer finding Madeleine )

Did you miss the post showing what happened in Ben Needham's case regarding the reward that was on offer - and all the other information explaining why rewards can be a double edged sword?

At least one thing has been established:   None of the reward money pledged is, or ever has been, in the 'coffers' of the Fund.

Personally - I think this thread has been quite educational regarding the pros and cons of rewards - especially the legal implications and possible pitfalls associated with them, which I didn't know about before.

If anyone needs to know whether the benefactors are still prepared to honour their original pledges, they can always write to them and enquire.

[Mo Stache]

Oh, I gedit.  Angelo, along with a few others, think that The McCanns should sell their Mansion and offer the money as a Reward.  Where else is the money going to come from?
Sad to say that The Mansion is mortgaged up to the hilt, and The McCanns have to live somewhere.  And No, there is no logical reason for why they should live on a sink estate in Liverpool.

Not only that, but that they should be searching in Portugal; digging up others backyards and knocking on doors, handing out posters and travelling to Spain and nearby countries to do the same. Sounds to me, all they really want is for the McCann's to leave the UK and be arrested for unlawful searches elsewhere.   

Why do you insist on posting such total tosh, are you threatened by the suggestion that the McCann clan should get out to Portugal and look for their child??

It isn't a case of searching property or digging up anything but that comment in itself is very revealing.  Is she dead?

"tosh"? It's not nonsense. And I am in no way threatened at all but can see, unlike you and others, that a search by merely handing out posters is not going to find her. And I have given my reasons which you have elected to ignore. She could be dead however Scotland Yard appear to think she is alive.