Should the McCanns go back to Portugal to look for Madeleine?

[sadie]

I have a slightly different suggestion, Angelo.

Imagine that you're Gerry McCann at 22:10 in a foreign country and have just discovered that your child has disappeared, seemingly abducted.

Why not lead us through what you would have done differently from then on?

I have no gripe with what they did immediately on finding her gone but I do with what they did immediately after the arguido status was lifted.  The perception is that they scuttled off home like scared rats.  Harsh but true.

Not everyone is Bruce Willis in Die Hard you know.  You may be a real hard man who would not be intimidated  in a foreign country where it seems everyone is against you, where the police are out to nail you for a crime you didn't commit.  But many people would, and would quite sensibly believe that they could do more for their missing child from a position where their security and freedom was not under threat.

And also the security of S^^n and A^^^^e..

With the PT PJ history of fitting people up for crimes they almost certainly did NOT commit, what sensible parent would put their childrens loving family future at risk?

They did the right thing coming home

No doubt about it.

[DCI]

OK, Angelo, remove the thread, if you want to, it still won't change the FACT, that its true. Sorry if that hurts.
I thought, this forum, expected anything to be backed up with proof. You got it, but you still don't believe it 
Do you think I've got a PJ rubber stamp, on my desk?

You keep saying, if it was my Daughter, I'd do this, that and the other. Well she isn't, is she?
You would be over there, living on what? Don't say get a job, because you can't work and look for your daughter.

So you think the PJ, would give them a badge, so they could do what ever they want to find Madeleine? Yeah right!
The first time they, knocked on a door, they would be shown, dreaded police station stairs.
You expect them to drag the twins, around, with them, too? Great send the kids to a Portuguese school.

You really sound like, someone's been bending your ear.

[Mrs. B]

You've lost the plot Angelo. Seriously.

Not at all, I am not an apologist for the McCanns like you appear to be.  I mentioned yesterday that the Needhams and the Fitzpatricks are to be applauded for their tireless search for their child which in the end proved fruitless.  At least they got out there and did something.  What have the McCanns done???

Well, one thing the McCanns have NOT done, is stab one of Madeleine's siblings to death.

http://www.thestar.ie/star/dave-mahon-i-am-not-a-murderer/

Applaud all you want, I won't be joining in.

[south of the river]

I think that the argument that McCann's  should have put on a pair of stout walking boots gave up their jobs - left the twins with relatives and then just started walking around Portugal " looking "  - is plainly ludicrous

whatever you think of them the  fact that Maddie  has remained in the news and that there is still Police actively trawling through the files today is down to their persistence in keeping things going and not just disappearing from site .

They could have just retired from view and we would not be talking about them today.  The web site , and fund and other initiatives were down to them and friends and supporters who believed in them and also gave them advice in the  best and most effective  way to search.

[sadie]

I think that the argument that McCann's  should have put on a pair of stout walking boots gave up their jobs - left the twins with relatives and then just started walking around Portugal " looking "  - is plainly ludicrous

whatever you think of them the  fact that Maddie  has remained in the news and that there is still Police actively trawling through the files today is down to their persistence in keeping things going and not just disappearing from site .

They could have just retired from view and we would not be talking about them today.  The web site , and fund and other initiatives were down to them and friends and supporters who believed in them and also gave them advice in the  best and most effective  way to search.

The Mccanns have used their brains rather than their brawn.  Had they not been continually criticized, and their initiatives sometimes destroyed, by a massive seemingly orchestrated group, their method might have succeeeded ... and might still. 

The thought of them marching around PT is frankly a no-brainer



So who is behind all the propaganda and disinformation being put about?

[DCI]

I think that the argument that McCann's  should have put on a pair of stout walking boots gave up their jobs - left the twins with relatives and then just started walking around Portugal " looking "  - is plainly ludicrous

whatever you think of them the  fact that Maddie  has remained in the news and that there is still Police actively trawling through the files today is down to their persistence in keeping things going and not just disappearing from site .

They could have just retired from view and we would not be talking about them today.  The web site , and fund and other initiatives were down to them and friends and supporters who believed in them and also gave them advice in the  best and most effective  way to search.

The Mccanns have used their brains rather than their brawn.  Had they not been continually criticized, and their initiatives sometimes destroyed, by a massive seemingly orchestrated group, their method might have succeeeded ... and might still. 

The thought of them marching around PT is frankly a no-brainer

So who is behind all the propaganda and disinformation being put about?

 

Not many guesses needed, Sadie.

[Angelo222]

I think that the argument that McCann's  should have put on a pair of stout walking boots gave up their jobs - left the twins with relatives and then just started walking around Portugal " looking "  - is plainly ludicrous

whatever you think of them the  fact that Maddie  has remained in the news and that there is still Police actively trawling through the files today is down to their persistence in keeping things going and not just disappearing from site .

They could have just retired from view and we would not be talking about them today.  The web site , and fund and other initiatives were down to them and friends and supporters who believed in them and also gave them advice in the  best and most effective  way to search.

Yes I totally agree....they have been successful at promoting themselves and creating a Limited Company with a big fat bank account based solely on the publics generosity but failed miserably to find Madeleine.

Now remind me??  What was it they set out to do on 4 May 2007?

[Angelo222]

The Mccanns have used their brains rather than their brawn.  Had they not been continually criticized, and their initiatives sometimes destroyed, by a massive seemingly orchestrated group, their method might have succeeeded ... and might still. 

The thought of them marching around PT is frankly a no-brainer

Why is it a no-brainer Sadie?   Are they too good or unfit to go out to Portugal to search for their daughter?  Is there some sinister reason why they should travel the lengths of Portugal exploring every possible lead?  You said yourself that there are theories of how she could have been taken from the immediate area, is it not unreasonable to try to find her in another part of the country?

For all we know she could still be a matter of half an hour or an hour from Praia da Luz so why not create some publicity in those areas and start the locals talking?  As it stands she is effectively forgotten in Portugal.  Yes, the McCanns have been very successful...NOT!!

[DCI]

I think that the argument that McCann's  should have put on a pair of stout walking boots gave up their jobs - left the twins with relatives and then just started walking around Portugal " looking "  - is plainly ludicrous

whatever you think of them the  fact that Maddie  has remained in the news and that there is still Police actively trawling through the files today is down to their persistence in keeping things going and not just disappearing from site .

They could have just retired from view and we would not be talking about them today.  The web site , and fund and other initiatives were down to them and friends and supporters who believed in them and also gave them advice in the  best and most effective  way to search.

Yes I totally agree....they have been successful at promoting themselves and creating a Limited Company with a big fat bank account based solely on the publics generosity but failed miserably to find Madeleine.

Now remind me??  What was it they set out to do on 4 May 2007?

Give statements in Portimao.

Then see Amaral, made an Arguido, at 6pm in Faro. 

Oh and by the way, Amaral asked if he could use the press, on May the 4th. So why does he sprout off the McCanns informed the press, in Portugal?

[DCI]

The Mccanns have used their brains rather than their brawn.  Had they not been continually criticized, and their initiatives sometimes destroyed, by a massive seemingly orchestrated group, their method might have succeeeded ... and might still. 

The thought of them marching around PT is frankly a no-brainer

Why is it a no-brainer Sadie?   Are they too good or unfit to go out to Portugal to search for their daughter?  Is there some sinister reason why they should travel the lengths of Portugal exploring every possible lead?  You said yourself that there are theories of how she could have been taken from the immediate area, is it not unreasonable to try to find her in another part of the country?

For all we know she could still be a matter of half an hour or an hour from Praia da Luz so why not create some publicity in those areas and start the locals talking?  As it stands she is effectively forgotten in Portugal.  Yes, the McCanns have been very successful...NOT!!

Like this you mean?

If 'Maddie': Man had already been identified by the Judicial

Track 'raptor' was investigated

Former employee of the Ocean Club ensures that saw suspect hiding under stairs

By: Rui Pando Gomes / José Carlos Eusebio

Today, 1:00 a.m.

He was hiding under the stairs, wearing sunglasses but the sun had already disappeared. The man suspected to have been seen by a former employee of the Ocean Club next to the apartment where the McCann couple on vacation in Praia da Luz, Lagos, one day before daughter Madeleine disappeared.

The information was revealed yesterday by the British newspaper 'Daily Mirror'. However, this track had been examined by the Judicial Police and the suspect was identified at the time. It is a tourist, of British nationality, and lives in England.

Mario Fernando, a former employee of the Ocean Club, was intrigued and conveyed his suspicions to the police in 2007. Mario, 47, made the clothes collection of apartments, in the late afternoon, May 2. And he stumbled upon a man "strange", next to Ocean Club. "I was nervous and had sunglasses but there was no reason to wear the glasses because it was dark under the stairs," he told the newspaper the former employee, known as Mario 'Laranjinha' and now makes paint jobs.

"His face is still etched in my head," said the former employee, who believes that the suspect was somehow involved in the abduction of 'Maddie'.

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/pista-de-raptor-foi-investigada

[south of the river]

I think that the argument that McCann's  should have put on a pair of stout walking boots gave up their jobs - left the twins with relatives and then just started walking around Portugal " looking "  - is plainly ludicrous

whatever you think of them the  fact that Maddie  has remained in the news and that there is still Police actively trawling through the files today is down to their persistence in keeping things going and not just disappearing from site .

They could have just retired from view and we would not be talking about them today.  The web site , and fund and other initiatives were down to them and friends and supporters who believed in them and also gave them advice in the  best and most effective  way to search.

Yes I totally agree....they have been successful at promoting themselves and creating a Limited Company with a big fat bank account based solely on the publics generosity but failed miserably to find Madeleine.

Now remind me??  What was it they set out to do on 4 May 2007?

Its all about the language  - They have been very successful in promoting Madeleine and keeping her in the news - If say the fund was not a ltd company but was say into a personal bank acct and they suddenly had new home and new car - then maybe I would be more sympathetic to your view point

Granted they didn't always make the best decisions but who does - some of the people and organisations they chose to search were in hindsight crooks. But from everything I have seen they have been  using the fund and their energies to try and organise and keep the campaign alive

And not all the fund as you say came from public donations - they got a load from the UK Press who libelled them
as well as the book advance - all into the fund

[DCI]

No parents' search for their missing child can ever claim to be a success until that child has been found.  Angelo is criticising the McCanns because Madeleine is still missing, but why isn't he criticising ALL parents of ALL missing children who remain undiscovered? 

It's really absurd. 8-)(--)

Exactly. I see the abductor, isn't criticised, or the fact that the apartment was entered, unlocked or not.
Nor is the incompetent investigation, criticised.

[amaraltheofficeboy]

angelo said

As it stands she is effectively forgotten in Portugal.

the other day you said she is hardly mentioned in the UK press - you were wrong on that point - she has been in the UK press for years and even after all this time there have been a lot of articles this month.

And you are certainly wrong on this point too.

YES a lot of anti Mccann posters would LIKE to prefer she is forgotten - but she certainly isn't.

May I suggest that you contact the Mccanns with your plans and discuss it direct with them your obvious expertise in abduction and searches for missing children will be most welcomed by them.

[sadie]

Sorry to say this Angelo, but you have a very mean take on this.

I am glad that they have a fat bank account in case they suddenly need it.  They will have taken advice and gone about it the right way, even if you and some think that they should have taken another route ... like walking around PT searching.  Gawd they would need some money for that!

And, naturally some diehards would be saying, "Look at 'them' Mccanns, still in PT enjoying themselves".  What you may not have noticed Angelo, is that whatever the Mccanns do is WRONG


It is all promoted by a certain set of peeps to ensure the truth doesn't come out. 

Propaganda has been widely promoted, pro stuff has been whitewashed off the internet and huge quantities of anti stuff substituted.  Ordinary peeps are being influenced, emotions whipped up, to hate anything to do with the Mccanns.



Why?

Something to do with this case is desperately being hidden.  Something criminal and very very lucrative?  And huge efforts are being made to hide it. 

All the above is only my opinion, but it is based on observations



The whole anti-Mccann thing is orchestrated ... and trusting suckers in the UK are promoting it 

[DCI]

You've lost the plot Angelo. Seriously.

Not at all, I am not an apologist for the McCanns like you appear to be.  I mentioned yesterday that the Needhams and the Fitzpatricks are to be applauded for their tireless search for their child which in the end proved fruitless.  At least they got out there and did something.  What have the McCanns done???

Sorry to go off topic, but thought Angelo, should read this.

 8-)(--)

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/funeral-mass-for-stab-victim-dean-fitzpatrick-suddenly-cancelled-29308538.html

FUNERAL arrangements made for Dean Fitzpatrick were suddenly cancelled this morning.