Should the McCanns go back to Portugal to look for Madeleine?

[John]

Her full answer in fact was ''Yes if that's what the investigation thinks''   She was being ironic, and who could bame her when the people who WERE harming the investigation by trying to frame her instead of looking for Madeleine were the very same people accusing HER of harming the investigation.   The supreme irony of that whole situation would hardly have escaped her - wouldn't you agree?

Whatever the situation Mrs McCann reveals a remarkable and unfailing sense of derision :
It was not until about 11.10pm that two policemen arrived from the nearest town, Lagos, about five miles away. To me they seemed bewildered and out of their depth, and I couldn?t shake the images of Tweedledum and Tweedledee out of my head.

What an awful sanctimonious thing to write about two GNR officers who had gone to their aid.  Who was she expecting..the CIA or Colombo?   

[Angelo222]

Her full answer in fact was ''Yes if that's what the investigation thinks''   She was being ironic, and who could bame her when the people who WERE harming the investigation by trying to frame her instead of looking for Madeleine were the very same people accusing HER of harming the investigation.   The supreme irony of that whole situation would hardly have escaped her - wouldn't you agree?

Whatever the situation Mrs McCann reveals a remarkable and unfailing sense of derision :
It was not until about 11.10pm that two policemen arrived from the nearest town, Lagos, about five miles away. To me they seemed bewildered and out of their depth, and I couldn?t shake the images of Tweedledum and Tweedledee out of my head.

What an awful sanctimonious thing to write about two GNR officers who had gone to their aid.  Who was she expecting..the CIA or Colombo?   

No wonder they cannot face the Portuguese cops now after belittling them in their cheapshot book.  It's all beginning to make sense now...ta guys.   

[Angelo222]

Before I get accused of being an anti lets be clear about this.  As a parent of three great sons I have every sympathy with the McCanns and what they have suffered since losing Maddie in 2007. They were forced into making rash decisions at the time of the abduction and were misled by many people into maybe not making the right decisions at the time.  That said though, they have had years to get their act together, Kate looking after the family home while Gerry goes out to work.  All very well I hear you say but what about Maddie?

Someone posted the aims of the Madeleine fund earlier and something struck me about it.  One of the aims was to see Madeleine return home to her family. Return home?  Should that not be go out and find her?  It all sounds terribly passive to me, sit back and let someone else search for her?  And pleeeeeeaaasssseee don't respond with the same old tripe that they don't speak Portuguese or might get mugged or must look after the twins now or some other silly excuse.  I must say though I do agree with Angelo when he says if it was his kid he would be out there looking and digging and searching until the end.

Bloody too right I would.  No stupid job in England or a bunch of tossers or some anti campaign  would hold me back if someone lifted my daughter.  I would search the s..mbags out and deal with them man to man.  No pussy footing around like Tom and Jerry. 

[Angelo222]

Your opinion is always appreciated Martha even when you chuck out the dummy.   

[Redblossom]

I read somewhere a while ago the Mccanns employ Lift Consulting in Portugal, a PR and communications company, affiliate of Burton  Marstellar (spelling?), someone Clarence Mitchell worked for or still does IIRC

Anyone know if they  still do and what they actually do? In the search for Madeleine Mccann?

Regarding going back there, I think they burnt their bridges with many of their words and actions over the years, they are not liked over there in general from what I gather, the media in the UK are hugely responsible for this as well, including various talking heads and a couple of govt ministers

[DCI]

Didn't Amy Fitzpatricks mum, hire Metado3? I'm sure she did.

[gilet]

Her full answer in fact was ''Yes if that's what the investigation thinks''   She was being ironic, and who could bame her when the people who WERE harming the investigation by trying to frame her instead of looking for Madeleine were the very same people accusing HER of harming the investigation.   The supreme irony of that whole situation would hardly have escaped her - wouldn't you agree?

Whatever the situation Mrs McCann reveals a remarkable and unfailing sense of derision :
It was not until about 11.10pm that two policemen arrived from the nearest town, Lagos, about five miles away. To me they seemed bewildered and out of their depth, and I couldn?t shake the images of Tweedledum and Tweedledee out of my head.

What an awful sanctimonious thing to write about two GNR officers who had gone to their aid.  Who was she expecting..the CIA or Colombo?   

Perhaps she didn't realise that in Portugal you get what are effectively soldiers untrained in actual police investigations when you call for the police. She was probably expecting trained police officers.

A shame that the system did not seem geared up to dealing with a missing child effectively.

[Redblossom]

Didn't Amy Fitzpatricks mum, hire Metado3? I'm sure she did.

Most probably them, at some stage, it was reported they used the same detectives as the Mccanns did, I doubt it was Edgar and Cowley

[gilet]

Before I get accused of being an anti lets be clear about this.  As a parent of three great sons I have every sympathy with the McCanns and what they have suffered since losing Maddie in 2007. They were forced into making rash decisions at the time of the abduction and were misled by many people into maybe not making the right decisions at the time.  That said though, they have had years to get their act together, Kate looking after the family home while Gerry goes out to work.  All very well I hear you say but what about Maddie?

Someone posted the aims of the Madeleine fund earlier and something struck me about it.  One of the aims was to see Madeleine return home to her family. Return home?  Should that not be go out and find her?  It all sounds terribly passive to me, sit back and let someone else search for her?  And pleeeeeeaaasssseee don't respond with the same old tripe that they don't speak Portuguese or might get mugged or must look after the twins now or some other silly excuse.  I must say though I do agree with Angelo when he says if it was his kid he would be out there looking and digging and searching until the end.

Bloody too right I would.  No stupid job in England or a bunch of tossers or some anti campaign  would hold me back if someone lifted my daughter.  I would search the s..mbags out and deal with them man to man.  No pussy footing around like Tom and Jerry.

It must make you feel so good to make such a testosterone fuelled post.  "Man to man" eh?  How do you suggest they go about this? Knock on every door in PDL and batter the occupants of the house to give them information "man to man" like?

Do explain.

[DCI]

Found it!

Mum hires Maddie team in Amy ransom note scam

Alan O'Keeffe– 02 June 2009 09:58 AM

Private detectives asked to investigate a ransom demand for missing Dublin teenager Amy Fitzpatrick told her mother they had previously worked on Madeleine McCann's disappearance.
Audrey Fitzpatrick revealed for the first time that she had retained a Spanish-based firm of private detectives in the search for her teenage daughter.
Bogus

She has only disclosed her agreement with the Spanish private investigators after an apparently bogus ransom incident, she said.

Speaking from her home on the Costa del Sol in Spain, she told the Herald that two private detectives working for a Barcelona-based firm of investigators had worked in the past on the case of missing tot Madeleine in Portugal. She said she had not told any members of her family that she had engaged the private detectives until recently.

Amy's father Christopher Fitzpatrick, who had been married to Audrey, had hired an Irish private investigator to join the search. Mr Fitzpatrick lives in Dublin and their son Dean now lives with him, having moved back from Spain following Amy's disappearance.

Amy was 15 when she disappeared in Spain on January 1 last year while walking from a friend's house to her home in the Costa del Sol. A police search has failed to find any trace of the Dublin teenager.

Audrey said that she contacted both the police and the Barcelona firm when she received a cruel ransom demand for information.

An African man had telephoned her and asked if she was Amy's mother. When she confirmed she was her mother, the caller said Amy had been kidnapped and was being held in Madrid.

He told her he would call back in two hours with a name and an address in the Spanish capital.

"So I agreed, of course. Five hours later, I got a text to say 'Can you pay us €500,000? Yes or no? Send your answer now and we will send you all the information you need. Two hours later he texted again saying he was still waiting for my answer. I'm almost certain it was a con but there is a chance he has something. There is no proof yet," said Audrey.

Audrey said she contacted the Spanish police, who have been investigating Amy's disappearance, and the private detectives.

Scam

Later, both were able to establish that the callers were using two different pay-as-you-go telephones which were untraceable.

Audrey said: "Although I know it was a scam, I must admit that if I had a suitcase of money worth a half-a-million euro, I would have just said 'okay, where and when do you want it.'

"My heart had been in my mouth and I had been praying."

[gilet]

Found it!

Mum hires Maddie team in Amy ransom note scam

Alan O'Keeffe– 02 June 2009 09:58 AM

Private detectives asked to investigate a ransom demand for missing Dublin teenager Amy Fitzpatrick told her mother they had previously worked on Madeleine McCann's disappearance.
Audrey Fitzpatrick revealed for the first time that she had retained a Spanish-based firm of private detectives in the search for her teenage daughter.
Bogus

She has only disclosed her agreement with the Spanish private investigators after an apparently bogus ransom incident, she said.

Speaking from her home on the Costa del Sol in Spain, she told the Herald that two private detectives working for a Barcelona-based firm of investigators had worked in the past on the case of missing tot Madeleine in Portugal. She said she had not told any members of her family that she had engaged the private detectives until recently.

Amy's father Christopher Fitzpatrick, who had been married to Audrey, had hired an Irish private investigator to join the search. Mr Fitzpatrick lives in Dublin and their son Dean now lives with him, having moved back from Spain following Amy's disappearance.

Amy was 15 when she disappeared in Spain on January 1 last year while walking from a friend's house to her home in the Costa del Sol. A police search has failed to find any trace of the Dublin teenager.

Audrey said that she contacted both the police and the Barcelona firm when she received a cruel ransom demand for information.

An African man had telephoned her and asked if she was Amy's mother. When she confirmed she was her mother, the caller said Amy had been kidnapped and was being held in Madrid.

He told her he would call back in two hours with a name and an address in the Spanish capital.

"So I agreed, of course. Five hours later, I got a text to say 'Can you pay us €500,000? Yes or no? Send your answer now and we will send you all the information you need. Two hours later he texted again saying he was still waiting for my answer. I'm almost certain it was a con but there is a chance he has something. There is no proof yet," said Audrey.

Audrey said she contacted the Spanish police, who have been investigating Amy's disappearance, and the private detectives.

Scam

Later, both were able to establish that the callers were using two different pay-as-you-go telephones which were untraceable.

Audrey said: "Although I know it was a scam, I must admit that if I had a suitcase of money worth a half-a-million euro, I would have just said 'okay, where and when do you want it.'

"My heart had been in my mouth and I had been praying."

So all those people who think the sun shines out of the proverbial where Audrey and Dave are concerned simply choose to ignore the fact that this couple employed the very same Metodo 3 who the anti McCanns use as a hammer to attack the McCanns.

More rampant hypocrisy.

If it was wrong for the McCanns to hire Metodo 3 it was equally wrong for this couple to do so.

Why am I not surprised that those who use every little decision by the McCanns to lambast them are so hypocritical and don't do the same to Audrey and Dave?

[gilet]

Not at all, I am not an apologist for the McCanns like you appear to be.  I mentioned yesterday that the Needhams and the Fitzpatricks are to be applauded for their tireless search for their child which in the end proved fruitless.  At least they got out there and did something.  What have the McCanns done???

Remind me what did Amy's stepfather do? You know the stepfather who was at least partly responsible for the child, Amy, whilst she was in Spain?

Ah yes, its coming to me now. He stabbed the brother of Amy and killed him and dropped the knife down a drain before leaving him to die, just before that brother was allegedly going to tell the police something interesting about the death of his sister.

If that is what you call doing something, I am afraid I prefer the McCann actions.

I did post Fitzpatrick as in Amy's surname.  Did you get that??  The stepfather is called David Mahon!!   

No surprise that you show yourself up by considering this so amusing.

OK lets stick with the Fitzpatrick name.

Would that be the mother who has no qualms about this stepfather Dave Mahon who knifed her son who was allegedly going to the police with information and then threw the knife down a drain before fleeing and falling to sleep in his fathers home (sleeping it off maybe?)?

[DCI]

So all those people who think the sun shines out of the proverbial where Audrey and Dave are concerned simply choose to ignore the fact that this couple employed the very same Metodo 3 who the anti McCanns use as a hammer to attack the McCanns.

More rampant hypocrisy.

If it was wrong for the McCanns to hire Metodo 3 it was equally wrong for this couple to do so.

Why am I not surprised that those who use every little decision by the McCanns to lambast them are so hypocritical and don't do the same to Audrey and Dave?

Amazing isn't it.
In the mothers book, she says she spoke to Amy , on New Years Day. Now thats a bit odd, because Amy's phone was found under a load of clothes on her bed. So Amy must have been at home  >@@(*&)

[gilet]

So all those people who think the sun shines out of the proverbial where Audrey and Dave are concerned simply choose to ignore the fact that this couple employed the very same Metodo 3 who the anti McCanns use as a hammer to attack the McCanns.

More rampant hypocrisy.

If it was wrong for the McCanns to hire Metodo 3 it was equally wrong for this couple to do so.

Why am I not surprised that those who use every little decision by the McCanns to lambast them are so hypocritical and don't do the same to Audrey and Dave?

Amazing isn't it.
In the mothers book, she says she spoke to Amy , on New Years Day. Now thats a bit odd, because Amy's phone was found under a load of clothes on her bed. So Amy must have been at home  >@@(*&)

Yes it would suggest that as a strong possibility.

[amaraltheofficeboy]

angello does realise of course that a poster on this forum was responsible for destroying posters in Portugal