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Offline Mo Stache

Re: Kate McCann exposes security breach at MW
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2013, 08:08:28 PM »
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amaraltheofficeboy

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Re: Kate McCann exposes security breach at MW
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2013, 08:10:53 PM »
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to my horror, I saw that, no doubt in all innocence

doesn't sound like a bad accusation or passing the book to me.

no different to suggesting creche staff drugged madeleine duriing the day and thats why she was so tired

I think you are sick - go away

Offline faithlilly

Re: Kate McCann exposes security breach at MW
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2013, 08:47:58 PM »

We have no verification that either guests or visitors had access to the book simply Kate's assumption that they may have had and as she also assumed that three small children would be safe in a dark, unlocked apartment with access to a main road  I think I'll be forgiven for questioning her judgement on that one too.

The evidence is clear enough in the book itself. If other diners did not have access then certainly all the staff did. That in itself is bad enough.

If you wish to discuss the other point please have the decency to open a new thread to do so because it is not what this thread is about.

Staff needed to access to it . That is not a breach of security. What next ? The cleaners not having access to the apartments just in case after cleaning they lie in wait and murder guests in their beds !   @)(++(*
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mo Stache

Re: Kate McCann exposes security breach at MW
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2013, 08:52:47 PM »

We have no verification that either guests or visitors had access to the book simply Kate's assumption that they may have had and as she also assumed that three small children would be safe in a dark, unlocked apartment with access to a main road  I think I'll be forgiven for questioning her judgement on that one too.

The evidence is clear enough in the book itself. If other diners did not have access then certainly all the staff did. That in itself is bad enough.

If you wish to discuss the other point please have the decency to open a new thread to do so because it is not what this thread is about.

Staff needed to access to it . That is not a breach of security. What next ? The cleaners not having access to the apartments just in case after cleaning they lie in wait and murder guests in their beds !   @)(++(*
The staff have a responsibility to keep all client information in their possession secure. Leaving a bookings book, for example, open on a counter is not keeping client information in their possession secure. It could well be described as a security breach.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Kate McCann exposes security breach at MW
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2013, 08:59:19 PM »

We have no verification that either guests or visitors had access to the book simply Kate's assumption that they may have had and as she also assumed that three small children would be safe in a dark, unlocked apartment with access to a main road  I think I'll be forgiven for questioning her judgement on that one too.

The evidence is clear enough in the book itself. If other diners did not have access then certainly all the staff did. That in itself is bad enough.

If you wish to discuss the other point please have the decency to open a new thread to do so because it is not what this thread is about.

Staff needed to access to it . That is not a breach of security. What next ? The cleaners not having access to the apartments just in case after cleaning they lie in wait and murder guests in their beds !   @)(++(*
The staff have a responsibility to keep all client information in their possession secure. Leaving a bookings book, for example, open on a counter is not keeping client information in their possession secure. It could well be described as a security breach.

We have no real idea where the book was kept. As the entry about leaving the children alone was only seen by Kate when she received the files it seems reasonable to assume it wasn't kept somewhere where the general public had access to it.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mo Stache

Re: Kate McCann exposes security breach at MW
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2013, 09:04:47 PM »

We have no verification that either guests or visitors had access to the book simply Kate's assumption that they may have had and as she also assumed that three small children would be safe in a dark, unlocked apartment with access to a main road  I think I'll be forgiven for questioning her judgement on that one too.
The evidence is clear enough in the book itself. If other diners did not have access then certainly all the staff did. That in itself is bad enough.

If you wish to discuss the other point please have the decency to open a new thread to do so because it is not what this thread is about.

Staff needed to access to it . That is not a breach of security. What next ? The cleaners not having access to the apartments just in case after cleaning they lie in wait and murder guests in their beds !   @)(++(*
The staff have a responsibility to keep all client information in their possession secure. Leaving a bookings book, for example, open on a counter is not keeping client information in their possession secure. It could well be described as a security breach.

We have no real idea where the book was kept. As the entry about leaving the children alone was only seen by Kate when she received the files it seems reasonable to assume it wasn't kept somewhere where the general public had access to it.

"KATE MCCANN believes a note in a restaurant reservation book led to her daughter Madeleine's abduction, she has revealed.
 
The three-year-old was snatched from the family's holiday apartment in Portugal while the McCanns and their friends dined in a tapas bar.
 
But Kate's request to book a table near the apartments because the group's children would be alone inside was written on a reservation book left in full view of the public." - Daily Record 09 May 2011
Article: Madeleine McCann: Note in restaurant reservation book may have tipped off kidnapper, reveals mum Kate
ETA
"In her book Madeleine, she recalled: "This book was by definition accessible to all staff and, albeit unintentionally, probably to guests and visitors, too.
 
"To my horror, I saw that, no doubt in all innocence, the receptionist had added that we wanted to eat close to our apartments as we were leaving our young children alone there and checking on them intermittently."
 
Kate discovered the blunder while reviewing Portuguese police case files after their investigation was shelved."

Offline gilet

Re: Kate McCann exposes security breach at MW
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2013, 09:06:05 PM »

We have no real idea where the book was kept. As the entry about leaving the children alone was only seen by Kate when she received the files it seems reasonable to assume it wasn't kept somewhere where the general public had access to it.

You really do like to assume things don't you.

I don't see that as a way to finding truth at all but clearly you do.

Even to have written that in the book is a security breach in that cleaners or any staff could see it.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Kate McCann exposes security breach at MW
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2013, 09:06:58 PM »

We have no verification that either guests or visitors had access to the book simply Kate's assumption that they may have had and as she also assumed that three small children would be safe in a dark, unlocked apartment with access to a main road  I think I'll be forgiven for questioning her judgement on that one too.
The evidence is clear enough in the book itself. If other diners did not have access then certainly all the staff did. That in itself is bad enough.

If you wish to discuss the other point please have the decency to open a new thread to do so because it is not what this thread is about.

Staff needed to access to it . That is not a breach of security. What next ? The cleaners not having access to the apartments just in case after cleaning they lie in wait and murder guests in their beds !   @)(++(*
The staff have a responsibility to keep all client information in their possession secure. Leaving a bookings book, for example, open on a counter is not keeping client information in their possession secure. It could well be described as a security breach.

We have no real idea where the book was kept. As the entry about leaving the children alone was only seen by Kate when she received the files it seems reasonable to assume it wasn't kept somewhere where the general public had access to it.

"KATE MCCANN believes a note in a restaurant reservation book led to her daughter Madeleine's abduction, she has revealed.
 
The three-year-old was snatched from the family's holiday apartment in Portugal while the McCanns and their friends dined in a tapas bar.
 
But Kate's request to book a table near the apartments because the group's children would be alone inside was written on a reservation book left in full view of the public." - Daily Record 09 May 2011
Article: Madeleine McCann: Note in restaurant reservation book may have tipped off kidnapper, reveals mum Kate

Relying on a newspaper article rather than Kate's own words. Now there's a thing  @)(++(*
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

amaraltheofficeboy

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Re: Kate McCann exposes security breach at MW
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2013, 09:09:13 PM »

We have no verification that either guests or visitors had access to the book simply Kate's assumption that they may have had and as she also assumed that three small children would be safe in a dark, unlocked apartment with access to a main road  I think I'll be forgiven for questioning her judgement on that one too.
The evidence is clear enough in the book itself. If other diners did not have access then certainly all the staff did. That in itself is bad enough.

If you wish to discuss the other point please have the decency to open a new thread to do so because it is not what this thread is about.

Staff needed to access to it . That is not a breach of security. What next ? The cleaners not having access to the apartments just in case after cleaning they lie in wait and murder guests in their beds !   @)(++(*
The staff have a responsibility to keep all client information in their possession secure. Leaving a bookings book, for example, open on a counter is not keeping client information in their possession secure. It could well be described as a security breach.

We have no real idea where the book was kept. As the entry about leaving the children alone was only seen by Kate when she received the files it seems reasonable to assume it wasn't kept somewhere where the general public had access to it.

"KATE MCCANN believes a note in a restaurant reservation book led to her daughter Madeleine's abduction, she has revealed.
 
The three-year-old was snatched from the family's holiday apartment in Portugal while the McCanns and their friends dined in a tapas bar.
 
But Kate's request to book a table near the apartments because the group's children would be alone inside was written on a reservation book left in full view of the public." - Daily Record 09 May 2011
Article: Madeleine McCann: Note in restaurant reservation book may have tipped off kidnapper, reveals mum Kate

Relying on a newspaper article rather than Kate's own words. Now there's a thing  @)(++(*

this thread started by posting a quote from you as to where the book was!

Offline Mo Stache

Re: Kate McCann exposes security breach at MW
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2013, 09:10:24 PM »

We have no verification that either guests or visitors had access to the book simply Kate's assumption that they may have had and as she also assumed that three small children would be safe in a dark, unlocked apartment with access to a main road  I think I'll be forgiven for questioning her judgement on that one too.
The evidence is clear enough in the book itself. If other diners did not have access then certainly all the staff did. That in itself is bad enough.

If you wish to discuss the other point please have the decency to open a new thread to do so because it is not what this thread is about.

Staff needed to access to it . That is not a breach of security. What next ? The cleaners not having access to the apartments just in case after cleaning they lie in wait and murder guests in their beds !   @)(++(*
The staff have a responsibility to keep all client information in their possession secure. Leaving a bookings book, for example, open on a counter is not keeping client information in their possession secure. It could well be described as a security breach.

We have no real idea where the book was kept. As the entry about leaving the children alone was only seen by Kate when she received the files it seems reasonable to assume it wasn't kept somewhere where the general public had access to it.

"KATE MCCANN believes a note in a restaurant reservation book led to her daughter Madeleine's abduction, she has revealed.
 
The three-year-old was snatched from the family's holiday apartment in Portugal while the McCanns and their friends dined in a tapas bar.
 
But Kate's request to book a table near the apartments because the group's children would be alone inside was written on a reservation book left in full view of the public." - Daily Record 09 May 2011
Article: Madeleine McCann: Note in restaurant reservation book may have tipped off kidnapper, reveals mum Kate

Relying on a newspaper article rather than Kate's own words. Now there's a thing  @)(++(*
It's a report in the press of what Kate said and wrote in her book. It IS Kate's own words. 

Offline faithlilly

Re: Kate McCann exposes security breach at MW
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2013, 09:11:26 PM »

We have no real idea where the book was kept. As the entry about leaving the children alone was only seen by Kate when she received the files it seems reasonable to assume it wasn't kept somewhere where the general public had access to it.

You really do like to assume things don't you.

I don't see that as a way to finding truth at all but clearly you do.

Even to have written that in the book is a security breach in that cleaners or any staff could see it.

Then we will have to agree to differ. This is exactly the kind of information that should be recorded just in case there is a problem.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mo Stache

Re: Kate McCann exposes security breach at MW
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2013, 09:12:27 PM »
"In her book Madeleine, she recalled: "This book was by definition accessible to all staff and, albeit unintentionally, probably to guests and visitors, too.
 
"To my horror, I saw that, no doubt in all innocence, the receptionist had added that we wanted to eat close to our apartments as we were leaving our young children alone there and checking on them intermittently."

amaraltheofficeboy

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Re: Kate McCann exposes security breach at MW
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2013, 09:13:37 PM »

We have no real idea where the book was kept. As the entry about leaving the children alone was only seen by Kate when she received the files it seems reasonable to assume it wasn't kept somewhere where the general public had access to it.

You really do like to assume things don't you.

I don't see that as a way to finding truth at all but clearly you do.

Even to have written that in the book is a security breach in that cleaners or any staff could see it.

Then we will have to agree to differ. This is exactly the kind of information that should be recorded just in case there is a problem.

look at your own post quoted at the beginning of the thread.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Kate McCann exposes security breach at MW
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2013, 09:14:16 PM »
"In her book Madeleine, she recalled: "This book was by definition accessible to all staff and, albeit unintentionally, probably to guests and visitors, too.
 
"To my horror, I saw that, no doubt in all innocence, the receptionist had added that we wanted to eat close to our apartments as we were leaving our young children alone there and checking on them intermittently."

Notice the word 'probably'.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline gilet

Re: Kate McCann exposes security breach at MW
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2013, 09:18:12 PM »
The book did not sit in the restaurant all day.

'It wasn’t until a year later, when I was combing through the Portuguese police files, that I discovered that the note requesting our block booking was written in a staff message book, which sat on a desk at the pool reception for most of the day. This book was by definition accessible to all staff and, albeit unintentionally, probably to guests and visitors, too. To my horror, I saw that, no doubt in all innocence and simply to explain why she was bending the rules a bit, the receptionist had added the reason for our request: we wanted to eat close to our apartments as we were leaving our young children alone there and checking on them intermittently.'

Kate McCann in her book (and remember that Redblossom thinks quoting Kate's book is perfectly OK if Icabodcrane does it) actually sat in the POOL reception which is the tiny building near the road.

It was in fact according to Kate sitting where even people who were not OC guests were able to see it.

If a person went to the desk and asked could none OC guests come in, Kate is telling us that the book would be on that desk.

It was an appalling security risk that the member of staff had written such a comment in a book that was visible to the general public as well as OC guests and staff.

You really are doing us all a massive favour Faithlilly, posting these quotes which expose the incompetence of people in Portugal. Thank you.