Author Topic: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation  (Read 45387 times)

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Offline Mrs. B

Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2013, 07:03:01 PM »
Excuse me, but who on earth can determine EXACTLY where a person is when speaking on a mobile phone? AFAIK that's impossible, you can only ping a mobile to the nearest mast, surely nobody is daft enough to think every apartment in the block had their own mobile phone mast?


triangulation in the modern World

(but we're not in the modern World are we?)

Not in 2007 though, the mobile networks were diabolical in those areas back then.

ETA & btw triangulation by this lot? Have you read it? It's a laughable. http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/more-on-deleted-call-records.html
« Last Edit: June 03, 2013, 07:37:02 PM by Mrs. B »

Offline gilet

Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #31 on: June 03, 2013, 07:44:26 PM »
Excuse me, but who on earth can determine EXACTLY where a person is when speaking on a mobile phone? AFAIK that's impossible, you can only ping a mobile to the nearest mast, surely nobody is daft enough to think every apartment in the block had their own mobile phone mast?


triangulation in the modern World

(but we're not in the modern World are we?)

Not in 2007 though, the mobile networks were diabolical in those areas back then.

ETA & btw triangulation by this lot? Have you read it? It's a laughable. http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/more-on-deleted-call-records.html

Having read that nonsense I suspect Reis became embarrassed and withdrew and the leading international investigative firm simply went out of business.


Offline TTSOFAFM

Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #32 on: June 03, 2013, 09:20:45 PM »
the outcome was the pink blanket

You forgot the stamp.
But the burning question is this, did he find the pink blanket and the buy the stamp before finding the deep freezer?

And if anyone thinks I am being sarcastic.. here is Amaral going on about the freezer..

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GA: If we take into account that, if we consider the traces that were found in the car boot…

JP: … which are in fact…

GA: … which are in fact from the little girl. In order to justify that bodily fluid as the lab says, it could only have been preserved and conserved in the cold because otherwise it would have been…

JP: That means that…

GA: … in an advanced state of decomposition, at least it’s a hypothesis. Therefore it’s a question of a deep freezer, or something similar, and there we had to search for it and that was what we were doing. This means, the contacts that they had, where they went, where they were seen… There are people who say that they were seen entering an apartment block near the cemetery in Praia da Luz. At that point in time we weren’t able to detect which apartment they entered, who lived there, because it’s also a bit complicated because you have to understand it’s a tourist area and often it’s not known who the apartment belongs to.

JP: Of course, of course…

GA: Who lives there, for how long they live there, so all of that was being worked upon. To try to understand the support…

JP: If someone discovered a deep freezer in the area and…

GA: If it was actually a deep freezer, it doesn’t exist anymore now.

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/09/little-girl-died-in-that-apartment.html

AnneGuedes

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Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #33 on: June 03, 2013, 10:57:16 PM »
But it never was missing - it was given to Portuguese Dog handler.

The just talked to some colleagues from the PJ and asked for a piece of clothing that Madeleine had worn or used recently. They were given a pink/orange blanket that the child had been covered with in her bed.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CARLOS-LACAO.htm
Never missing, yes, just offered to dogs in hope they would follow the scent. And one did on that fateful night.
GA wasn't there anyway and had he read Winnicott he would have guessed CC was a kind of transitional object for Mrs McCann (see the rosaries CC had around).

AnneGuedes

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Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #34 on: June 03, 2013, 11:01:10 PM »
freezer, it doesn’t exist anymore now.
Do you really have to post this ? Bad taste really if not ridiculous.

Offline TTSOFAFM

Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #35 on: June 03, 2013, 11:03:13 PM »
freezer, it doesn’t exist anymore now.
Do you really have to post this ? Bad taste really if not ridiculous.
Amaral's words not mine. And I agree his words are in bad taste.  Especially as we now know Madeleine's DNA/Bodily Fluids were NOT in the hired car.

Offline gilet

Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #36 on: June 03, 2013, 11:09:41 PM »
freezer, it doesn’t exist anymore now.
Do you really have to post this ? Bad taste really if not ridiculous.

Why are you stating that the content of Goncalo Amaral's own book is bad taste and ridiculous?

Do we not have a right (maybe even a duty) to read his book and to reflect on its contents?


icabodcrane

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Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2013, 11:17:29 PM »
I find the suggestion that a body was kept hidden for weeks and then transported in a hire car to be most unlikely

Just as I find it unlikely that an abductor would  be walking the streets of PDL with a child he had snatched from her bed almost an hour before still in his arms

Both scenarios are unlikely,  but then,  neither is impossible I suppose

Offline Mrs. B

Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #38 on: June 03, 2013, 11:21:34 PM »
There is quite a difference between the two scenarios though, there is not one scintilla of evidence of the first one but quite a large group of people did witness someone carrying a child of the same age as Madeleine in the area.

icabodcrane

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Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2013, 11:25:09 PM »
There is quite a difference between the two scenarios though, there is not one scintilla of evidence of the first one but quite a large group of people did witness someone carrying a child of the same age as Madeleine in the area.

Yes I know

What I find unlikely is the McCann's suggestiion that it was the  same man Jane Tanner saw almost an hour before

As I say though,  it's not impossible  ...  none of the scenarios suggested have been proven to be impossible

Offline Mrs. B

Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #40 on: June 03, 2013, 11:29:41 PM »
No, but I repeat, there is no evidence whatsoever of the first scenario whatsoever but there are witness statements suggesting the second one may possible.

Offline Benice

Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #41 on: June 03, 2013, 11:50:51 PM »
There is quite a difference between the two scenarios though, there is not one scintilla of evidence of the first one but quite a large group of people did witness someone carrying a child of the same age as Madeleine in the area.

Yes I know

What I find unlikely is the McCann's suggestiion that it was the  same man Jane Tanner saw almost an hour before

As I say though,  it's not impossible  ...  none of the scenarios suggested have been proven to be impossible

I think there are just too many striking similarities between the man seen by the Smiths and the man JT saw for it to be two different men and too different little girls.  The fact that neither JT nor the Smiths knew of one anothers descriptions is very pertinent imo.     

There is no evidence at all to back up Amaral's 'fridge' theory.


The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

AnneGuedes

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Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2013, 12:01:52 AM »
JT didn't see a little girl, but legs.
The pink blanket dog and the towel sniffer dogs didn't follow JT carrier, nor the Smith carrier. That's weird.

icabodcrane

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Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2013, 12:02:50 AM »
There is quite a difference between the two scenarios though, there is not one scintilla of evidence of the first one but quite a large group of people did witness someone carrying a child of the same age as Madeleine in the area.

Yes I know

What I find unlikely is the McCann's suggestiion that it was the  same man Jane Tanner saw almost an hour before

As I say though,  it's not impossible  ...  none of the scenarios suggested have been proven to be impossible

I think there are just too many striking similarities between the man seen by the Smiths and the man JT saw for it to be two different men and too different little girls.  The fact that neither JT nor the Smiths knew of one anothers descriptions is very pertinent imo.     

There is no evidence at all to back up Amaral's 'fridge' theory.

Amaral's theory, however unevidenced, has not been proven to be impossible

Just as the abductor theory, equally unevidenced,   has not been proven impossible either

Offline Mrs. B

Re: Amaral's OWN Private Investigation
« Reply #44 on: June 04, 2013, 12:09:23 AM »
Well, feel free to provide a credible or even possible scenario that fits in with Amaral's theory. We have been waiting for it a long time.