The question of sedation

[Redblossom]

A doctor friend of mine thought the abductor was someone who knew the kids were sedated and took advantage of this. Sedating a child who's not yours and is on his own , if not a baby, is difficult to imagine.

Not sure what you mean Anne. How could anyone know the kids were sedated?? Any abductor would probably use sedation if thrywere going to trapse around the streets with a taken child,which is a joke anyway, not if put into a car quickly, no sedation required

Question remains, why would the mccanns want to know from the  police if any evidence was found that sedatives were involved?

[Eleanor]

He's quite a story teller, isn't he.  Amaral, that is.

[AnneGuedes]

Not sure what you mean Anne. How could anyone know the kids were sedated?? Any abductor would probably use sedation if thrywere going to trapse around the streets with a taken child,which is a joke anyway, not if put into a car quickly, no sedation required

Question remains, why would the mccanns want to know from the  police if any evidence was found that sedatives were involved?

My friend knew what everybody knew in France about this case : not much. As he couldn't imagine how an intruder would sedate a child, he deduced the abductor took advantage of a sedation he knew about. That sounds unlikely here, but it made me try to imagine the modus operandi. As you say, a bit of chloroform, careful not to inhale it yourself, and right to the car, all right. But the child carrier walked at least almost an hour with a sleeping Madeleine who had no mask on her face. How was that possible ?

[Carana]

What a facetious and snidy  dismissive post, they checked for substances such as chloroform as well you know


The area of the pillow of the bed from the minor disappeared was inspected with the intention to detect the presence of some smell [aroma] characteristic of volatile substances typical of chloroform or ether, this search proving negative
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm


And oral or injected substances wouldnt leave any trace on th bed would they????

How was the pillow inspected?

There's nothing in the files to indicate that the pillow had been taken away for inspection, nor is there any indication as to any test they may have done in situ.

So what did they do? Sniff it to see if they could detect any obvious chemical smell? By this time it would have been the next day.

[Redblossom]

My friend knew what everybody knew in France about this case : not much. As he couldn't imagine how an intruder would sedate a child, he deduced the abductor took advantage of a sedation he knew about. That sounds unlikely here, but it made me try to imagine the modus operandi. As you say, a bit of chloroform, careful not to inhale it yourself, and right to the car, all right. But the child carrier walked at least almost an hour with a sleeping Madeleine who had no mask on her face. How was that possible ?

I dont think Madeleine was carried in the streets, let alone an hour or so later after being taken, its stupid at best theory

[DCI]

How was the pillow inspected?

There's nothing in the files to indicate that the pillow had been taken away for inspection, nor is there any indication as to any test they may have done in situ.

So what did they do? Sniff it to see if they could detect any obvious chemical smell? By this time it would have been the next day.

At a certain time, after the arrival of the PJ elements, the parents removed the twins
from the beds in which they were still sleeping and took them to the first floor flat.
At the request of Kate she (the witness) to remove their puppets drink and a blanket that she took to the first floor flat. Only the mattresses remained.

[Redblossom]

How was the pillow inspected?

There's nothing in the files to indicate that the pillow had been taken away for inspection, nor is there any indication as to any test they may have done in situ.

So what did they do? Sniff it to see if they could detect any obvious chemical smell? By this time it would have been the next day.

Why dont you ask the police science lab who and how and where they did it? how would I or anyone here know? bit of a stupid question isnt it, fact is the tests were done, and testament to scrapping DCIs assertions that the bedding wasnt tested
And you could also, if you find out what they did, and its not to your satisfadtion, advise them on what to do next time
 

[Redblossom]

At a certain time, after the arrival of the PJ elements, the parents removed the twins
from the beds in which they were still sleeping and took them to the first floor flat.
At the request of Kate she (the witness) to remove their puppets drink and a blanket that she took to the first floor flat. Only the mattresses remained.

Thats the twins cots nothng to do with madeleins bed

[DCI]

Why dont you ask the police science lab who and how and where they did it? how would I or anyone here know? bit of a stupid question isnt it, fact is the tests were done, and testament to scrapping DCIs assertions that the bedding wasnt tested
And you could also, if you find out what they did, and its not to your satisfadtion, advise them on what to do next time
 

You keep telling yourself, they were done. No they were not! Where's your results, for this?
The only test done was on Madelines pillow case from home. Oh and the duvet cover from the other bed, or should I say, a patch from duvet.

[AnneGuedes]

Why dont you ask the police science lab who and how and where they did it? how would I or anyone here know? bit of a stupid question isnt it, fact is the tests were done, and testament to scrapping DCIs assertions that the bedding wasnt tested
And you could also, if you find out what they did, and its not to your satisfadtion, advise them on what to do next time
 

I agree totally. Who here can answer your questions, Carana ? Pretend you're writing a book comparing the police techniques in the EU and may be the Portugueses will open their doors to you.
Madeleine's bedding wasn't taken to the first floor, at least, it didn't have to, unfortunately. The cops were delicate enough not to require the twins' beddings as they yet thought Madeleine had got lost.
About the tests made inside of the crime scene and about the bags that were taken for analysis out of the crime scene, it's like in the UK : no one knows, but everybody trusts.

[Redblossom]

You keep telling yourself, they were done. No they were not! Where's your results, for this?

i have no need to keep telling myself anythng, the PJ files state the pillow was tested, for chloroform and ether,  as in my link given earlier, and the results were negative, take it up with the Pj science lab, not my problem, just yours at this stage
 

[DCI]

i have no need to keep telling myself anythng, the PJ files state the pillow was tested, for chloroform and ether,  as in my link given earlier, and the results were negative, take it up with the Pj science lab, not my problem, just yours at this stage
 

Lets have a cite, then!

[Carana]

Why dont you ask the police science lab who and how and where they did it? how would I or anyone here know? bit of a stupid question isnt it, fact is the tests were done, and testament to scrapping DCIs assertions that the bedding wasnt tested
And you could also, if you find out what they did, and its not to your satisfadtion, advise them on what to do next time
 

If I had found any information in the files I wouldn't have asked the question...

[Redblossom]

Lets have a cite, then!

Do you not read thread posts? the cite is in this thread, go look for it, its not hard, clue, my post contains bigger than nrmal font size plus link

[Redblossom]

If I had found any information in the files I wouldn't have asked the question...

Its a stupid question to ask of people who dont work for the science lab, were not there, and dont have access like you to anything further than the files