Ricardo Paiva, "Kate McCann had a dream where she saw Maddie on a hillside"

[Mr Gray]

Maybe it wasn't the dream. Maybe it was that Paiva's interpretation of the phone call was the first time that either of the McCann's had intimated anything other than finding Madeleine alive? Maybe Kate's body language had changed in a way that cast doubt and this phone call tipped things further along? Maybe that is what he meant by a change in direction?

Without being present for all previous conversations it's impossible to know.

you mean her body language over the phone

[Mr Gray]

This is what Paiva said......

“She gave the impression that she thought she was dead – it was a turning point for us.”


The turning point that Paiva refers to is that Kate was discussing a dead Madeleine as opposed to previously only contemplating Madeleine being alive. They may have been studying the McCann's behaviour for many weeks before this moment? Who knows?

There is a big difference between suggesting the whole investigation was solely down to a dream or suggesting Kate's behaviour, regarding discussing a dead Madeleine was a contributing factor in the investigation.

Who daid kate was discussing a dead madeleine...........you are making things up

[Cariad]

Paiva said. Wrong once again Davel. Now what was that you said earlier?

"All I do is correct the posts that are incorrect"

I'd quit attempting to correct things if I were you Davel. You are beginning to look foolish.

That ship sailed a long time ago....

[Mr Gray]

Paiva said. Wrong once again Davel. Now what was that you said earlier?

"All I do is correct the posts that are incorrect"

I'd quit attempting to correct things if I were you Davel. You are beginning to look foolish.

Paiva confirms that Kate did not refer to maddie as dead

[Mr Gray]

This is what Paiva said......

“She gave the impression that she thought she was dead – it was a turning point for us.”


The turning point that Paiva refers to is that Kate was discussing a dead Madeleine as opposed to previously only contemplating Madeleine being alive. They may have been studying the McCann's behaviour for many weeks before this moment? Who knows?

There is a big difference between suggesting the whole investigation was solely down to a dream or suggesting Kate's behaviour, regarding discussing a dead Madeleine was a contributing factor in the investigation.

Kate was not discussing a dead madeleine...that was paiva's interpretation

[Mr Gray]

As I was kind enough to provide a quote for Paiva saying it was "his impression" I was just wondering, could you provide a quote from Kate where she states she was not discussing a dead Madeleine?

why should kate say what she was not discussing.........she would need a list a mile long.....she talked of seeing maddie on a hill and paiva put his own spin on it...forums then thought kate had said maddie was dead

[Wonderfulspam]

why should kate say what she was not discussing.........she would need a list a mile long.....she talked of seeing maddie on a hill and paiva put his own spin on it...forums then thought kate had said maddie was dead

And Gerry thought someone said buried.

[Benice]

As I was kind enough to provide a quote for Paiva saying it was "his impression" I was just wondering, could you provide a quote from Kate where she states she was not discussing a dead Madeleine?

There isn't one AFAIK.   Why would she need to - when Gerry had already stated that she had not dreamt about Madeleine being dead or buried anywhere.

Or maybe she was too busy being gobsmacked that  supposedly professional police officers had actually decided that Paiva's interpretation of a DREAM! was a good enough reason to cause a change of direction in the case!!

Jaw dropping stuff IMO.

[Mr Gray]

As I was kind enough to provide a quote for Paiva saying it was "his impression" I was just wondering, could you provide a quote from Kate where she states she was not discussing a dead Madeleine?

we are not discussing what kate didn't say...we are discussing what kate said......

so the whole investigation turned on paiva's impression...not what kate said...so a mistake by paiva...no wonder thet got it all wrong..don't they understand you need evidence to charge someone

[sadie]

So Kate not talking about Madeleine being dead is just your own impression then, not fact. Thought so. If it was fact then you could have easily provided a quote from Kate saying something along the lines of........"I was not referring to a dead Madeleine"

.......but it appears that you can't.

Why should she have said it? 

You protesteth too much.



No one can produce what isn't said, no matter how hard you twist their arm.

[Mr Gray]

Can you provide a quote for Gerry then please? If he uses the phrase "dead or buried" then that's sufficient to cover it. Even if Paiva never used the words buried.

By the way, IMO the turning point was Paiva's impression that Kate had began to discuss a dead Madeleine. After all he said so, didn't he? Paiva spent time with them so was in a good position to pick up on any behaviour. It's what any good detective would look for.

so the turning point was merely paivas impression...who said paivas a good detective...the archiving report would suggest he is not

[jassi]

so the turning point was merely paivas impression...who said paivas a good detective...the archiving report would suggest he is not

Ah, the rubbishing of yet another person who made some comment detrimental to the MCanns   

[Mr Gray]

The alleged phone call was late July 2007, almost 3 months after the disappearance. I think it's therefore pretty safe to say that Kate was suggesting the 'search' should be for a body (although not necessarily buried).

this is what I take issue with....you are stating your opinion as a fact..it isn't..its just your opinion

[Mr Gray]

I didn't present anything as fact, unlike you who presented it as fact that Kate was not talking about a dead Madeleine.

What I said was "it's safe to say"

For your benefit Davel....

English definition of “it's safe to say (that)”     
it's safe to say (that)
C1 used to say that you are confident about what you are going to say:
I think it's safe to say that the crisis is now over.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/it-s-safe-to-say-that

you may be confident in what you may be confident in what you are saying...but it is just your opinion...nothing more

[John]

It's a pity one of those learned lawyers didn't ask Paiva about the dream when they had the opportunity to do so when he was under oath at the libel trial in Lisbon.  Maybe they will ask Kate if she ever takes the stand to 'put the record straight'!